Ending(S)? SPOILER ALERT (Obviously)

[Seaplace]

So.
After the game was finally released fully I started over. Got everything fixed up and enjoyed the tasks and few new Echos.
However, I have been most everyplace (searching for Cryotubes to repair and batteries) and clicked every echo, document and screen I could. - and still Eden is simply destroyed.

Moreover, its destroyed without EVER gettting into REM, why Javob sabotaged everthing, where the Dark seekers come from or where the Affliction came from (hinted to be manmade or AI made)

I love the mysteries of the storym but feel sorely dissapointed at the ending that I find lackluster to say the least.

IF anyone had a differrent ending then: Take vaccine with 39% chance to die, watch Eden 052 sink burning into sea and hear a "wake up" on dark screen - Please let me know.

Id like to find another ending, but Iv been pretty thorugh on my last playthrough so I cant figure how I missed it. -.-

[Guizin]

I don't think there is an extra ending. This is it. Very disappointing.

[Somtaaw]

I am almost positive PAMELA caused the affliction (not intentional).
There are some logs that state she started tinkering with temporyl formula and managed to increase its effectiveness by something like 8% if im not mistaken and guess what happened after that (♥♥♥♥ hit the fan).
Also its possible this was side effect of drug withdrawal as some logs say thousands of people started not taking their morning temporyl shots and there were some riots after that. Or they may have started not taking the drug after the affliction hit not sure as timeline not clear on that.
Jacob was afflicted and probably simply went into rage state.

Personal opinion is that PAM created stronger drug with some unintentional side effects.

Also ending SUCKS.

[Tyranthraxus]

Agree. I think Pamela caused it by the changing the makeup of the drug. Then it all cascaded from there. THe fact that Jacob managed to cut her connections was likely more his last moments of lucidity as he realised an impotent Pamela was less dangerous to areas in the new world. He purposely severed connections to they couldnt get access to the new drug. Then he became afflicted and killed Emma and so forth. Sure its a sad story and Love the use of logs to tell it. Kinda realised the total burn/destruction policy. Do I think that would work? I think its more likely the nanites will adapt to being underwater and continue their... activities.

[JayaND]

Yes I wholeheartedly agree, the ending was a major disappointment.

[Thintwizzle]

have to agree with most of this. For the story I would like to have Emma and Jacob included in the quests - find their bodies to retrieve stuff, fix the area that Pamela blew up etc just to meld the story in a bit - where were their offices or Pamela's diary? Where are the processing facilities for the sulfur and stuff like that - Why not have to find the information that Pamela "forgot" or just basically go to places where the echos say something happened?

Also the final cut scene doesn't work with the idea that this is a survival game and you can continue after you complete the quests as going back in nothing has changed.

I'm hoping there is some DLC to open up the closed off and residential areas, 5000 people can't live in two floor of Arcadia. Also the nanite area spreading further across Eden 52 would work for me. The afflicted slowly going all Giesty (like the boss seeker) and getting more powerful just to add more enemies into the mix.

(this should be in the ideas and suggestions board - possibly)

[Garath]

Yeah i can honestly say after having supported this game for so long, going through so many changes (remember the old harvesting system for crafting?) the months of silence from the devs and then SUDDENLY the game is set to be released and well..... i HATE the ending, it feels like such a cop out, i have waited literal years just to be pissed on at the end. So many loose ends, REM, dark seekers etc that are added to the game for no reason other than to add "suspense". I feel like they just wanted it done, so slapped together an ending over lunch one day and released the game, maybe if the had spent less time of "unity errors" over the years and concentrated on the story it would have been better.

And i FLAT out refuse to pay for a DLC that will change the ending, don't give me a ♥♥♥♥ ending then try and charge me for a good one, if its free thats different but i refuse to reward bad dev practices like that. And i will definitely NOT be buying any EA games from Nvizzio again after this (not saying i wont buy any of their games, just wont do EA again for them)

[Guizin]

Originally posted by Somtaaw:

I am almost positive PAMELA caused the affliction (not intentional).
There are some logs that state she started tinkering with temporyl formula and managed to increase its effectiveness by something like 8% if im not mistaken and guess what happened after that (♥♥♥♥ hit the fan).
Also its possible this was side effect of drug withdrawal as some logs say thousands of people started not taking their morning temporyl shots and there were some riots after that. Or they may have started not taking the drug after the affliction hit not sure as timeline not clear on that.
Jacob was afflicted and probably simply went into rage state.

Personal opinion is that PAM created stronger drug with some unintentional side effects.

Also ending SUCKS.

The improved temporil was only a small part of it. The deep frame is the one to blame, in my opinion. The outbreak started after the new immuno boosters made to deal with weak bones were administered, and these boosters are implied to have been created the the deep frame. Also, the strange seekers PAMELA mentions are very likely to be controlled by the deep frame, and they most certainly are responsible for the collapse of the nanite tower. The new temporil formula simply made everyone crazy due to withdrawal. Factor in the the extreme pain caused by the affliction, and you end up with a bunch of crazy, psychotic people. At least that's my take. The game doesn't explain much. What exactly is the deep frame and why does it exist? Where is it located? Who is REM? What is eden 033? why did it sent a message to PAMELA saying "tarsus"? What is levan echo ren? None of this is explained, which is lame.

[rdngmikey]

I think that when Pamela was created it created a split personality, so the Deep Frame IS Pamela.

[Guizin]

Originally posted by rdngmikey:

I think that when Pamela was created it created a split personality, so the Deep Frame IS Pamela.

Huh.. Interesting. But if that's the case, the dark seekers would respond to her, no? Instead she says they're cold and dark.

[rdngmikey]

With split personality Pamela would not know that the Deep Frame was a part of her and as such would not know about the Dark Seekers.

[Guizin]

Originally posted by rdngmikey:

With split personality Pamela would not know that the Deep Frame was a part of her and as such would not know about the Dark Seekers.

But there are a few echoes where pamela talk about the dark seekers, so she knows about them.

[rdngmikey]

She knows about them, but does not realize that the she is controlling them via the Deep Frame.
She only knows that they exist as she knows the Deep Frame exists.

Basically the way I see it is that when Pamela was created a secondary program was created as well. They are both a part of the same process and as such Pamela can sense the other, but has no control over its actions.

[Guizin]

Originally posted by rdngmikey:

She knows about them, but does not realize that the she is controlling them via the Deep Frame.
She only knows that they exist as she knows the Deep Frame exists.

Basically the way I see it is that when Pamela was created a secondary program was created as well. They are both a part of the same process and as such Pamela can sense the other, but has no control over its actions.

But she tries contacting one of the dark seekers and they don't respond.
I was always under the impression there was some kind of conspiracy going on, and that the deep frame was created by certain individuals to cause trouble for some unknown reason.

[Seaplace]

I think Pamala and "12" was created to help admin the city- REM might have been another prototype, however upon inquiry about the Deepframe, 12 states she needs "maintainece"- Jacob knows about it and refuse its exsistance, even going so far as deciding to censor pamala.

There simply is only a ton of loose ends. No answers. Jacob may have been trying to save eden by cutting off pamala, but I lean towards a Jacob/Hayden sort of conspiracy.

Sadly- we will probbaly never know. The Devs had a awesome idea, a good base to build upon and loyal fans throughout the years. Unfortunately I recon they have to move on -one can only sink so many hours into any one project.

As it is -it irks me that there are many red framed sealed doors all over, we never get to see behind. Even some areas what we can see (line nirvana) has odd light effects and while big is really mostly empty and dull. Lacking the careful build of Arcadia (which is a very well build level)

Its a pity they dident finish the full story.. I mean once we get to the mainframe and power it up they could have made a longer more elaborate dialoge or maybe even a cutsceane.

Sigh.. well uninstalling it after 163 hrs is good worth for the prise xD

[Tyranthraxus]

Jacob to me is the Body in the server room in the middle part lying against the wall quite dead. Emma? I have no idea.