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Why do we have to make an account to download mods?
I don't understand the point of this requirement. Why is Factorio the only game I own that has DRM for mods?
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ThreeSon の投稿を引用:
No I think it's much more likely that Wube payed the factoriomods site owner to shut it down, because as someone pointed out earlier, the reason Wube requires an account to download mods in the first place is so that pirates have a harder time modding the game.
They require account so that pirates can't download from their servers. I have never seen them attempt to stamp out third-party links, Nexus has a section for Factorio mods, etc. You're gonna need at least some evidence beyond your vague suspicion.[en.wikipedia.org]

ThreeSon の投稿を引用:
considering Wube's other proclamations about things like "no discounts for our game, ever" - I would say that simple greed is not exactly a far-fetched explanation for their desire to keep Factorio mods exclusively under their control.
Except that companies don't put up sales because they're just so philanthropic, they put them up because sales increase profit. Wube is leaving a lot of money on the table by not having sales. It looks to me that either you're assuming that Wube are idiots that in their greed don't see that "no sales" = "less profit", or that Wube are evil and almost every other company in the world are only looking out for us even if it costs them a lot of money.

Besides, if they wanted to keep mods exclusive to the mod portal... they could put in a clause into their T&Cs.

ThreeSon の投稿を引用:
And yes, I am aware now that many mod authors upload their mods to alternate locations like Dropbox or Google Drive as a backup method. But that is only a tiny minority of mods being backed up for one thing, and for another, no one can browse Dropbox or Google Drive looking for Factorio mods to download. There is no "mods" section for either of these sites, so even being able to locate them at all once the official site is shut down is not a feasible solution.
Again, mods have no DRM. Anyone can upload them to anywhere else (barring license restrictions).

Whether official mod portal required an account or not, the situation is the same. People could download mods from the official portal, authors or other people could upload mods elsewhere, if the official server goes down mods are lost unless/until uploaded elsewhere, etc. In all of your arguments, "requiring an account" makes no difference whatsoever.

Your arguments are not against an account requirement, they're against the existence of the official mod portal itself, account or no account. Not sure if that's intentional or not.
最近の変更はpiccolo255が行いました; 2020年5月2日 22時15分
piccolo255 の投稿を引用:
I have never seen them attempt to stamp out third-party links, Nexus has a section for Factorio mods, etc. You're gonna need at least some evidence beyond your vague suspicion.[en.wikipedia.org]

Yes, of course it's just a silly conspiracy theory. And you're just a fanboy who will die defending the developer you idolize. Wow, it sure is fun acting like an immature jerk instead of having a respectful discussion. Thanks, for that.

Nexus mods has exactly 11 Factorio mods. The last mod was uploaded there in 2018. If you are seriously referring to that as a legitimate place to download mods, then you are truly an idiot (More insulting people you disagree with! Isn't this great?)

piccolo255 の投稿を引用:
Except that companies don't put up sales because they're just so philanthropic, they put them up because sales increase profit. Wube is leaving a lot of money on the table by not having sales. It looks to me that either you're assuming that Wube are idiots that in their greed don't see that "no sales" = "less profit", or that Wube are evil and almost every other company in the world are only looking out for us even if it costs them a lot of money.

Ah I see, so that's the reason for never putting the game on sale. It has nothing to do with greed, it's because they don't want to cheapen the experience of playing the game! They care so much about their customers, of course!

You know I was just thinking that a few days ago, about the game Alien Isolation. Because it was on sale for just $3 you see. And I was totally going to buy it for such a cheap price, but then I realized that who the hell would want to play a $3 piece of crap game like that? Man I feel terrible for anyone who fell for that trick. They must feel really miserable now that they've played the game and wish they had paid the full $60 when they had the chance, the poor things.
最近の変更はThreeSonが行いました; 2020年5月2日 22時29分
ThreeSon の投稿を引用:
Yes, of course it's just a silly conspiracy theory. And you're just a fanboy who will die defending the developer you idolize. Wow, it sure is fun acting like an immature jerk instead of having a respectful discussion. Thanks, for that.
Heh. Yeah, I think Wube are one of the better dev studios. They post a lot of their reasoning for decisions in weekly blog posts, and seem to have some really good engineering practices. I don't idolize them, though; I respect them.

ThreeSon の投稿を引用:
Nexus mods has exactly 11 Factorio mods. The last mod was uploaded there in 2018. If you are seriously referring to that as a legitimate place to download mods, then you are truly an idiot (More insulting people you disagree with! Isn't this great?)
Personal insults aside ("attack the argument, not the person"), could you please consider why are there only 11 mods on Factorio Nexus? Because of some sinister conspiracy, or because people prefer the official portal?

And my point was: the very existence of Factorio Nexus completely demolishes your argument.

You say that requiring account means mods will be lost if Wube pulls the plug. Counterpoint: not requiring an account means even more mods will be lost if Wube pulls the plug.

You say that without an account requirement people would upload mods to other sites. Counterpoint: other Factorio mod sites exist, and people could upload stuff to them right now.

They don't, but that has nothing to do with the account requirement -- if anything, the additional barrier to entry means more mods offer alternative downloads. Removing the requirement would make mod distribution even more centralized.

So, excuse me for repeating myself, but: your arguments are not against an account requirement, they're against the existence of the official mod portal itself, account or no account.

Is that a fair assessment, or am I missing something? If so, I'd appreciate a clarification.

ThreeSon の投稿を引用:
Ah I see, so that's the reason for never putting the game on sale. It has nothing to do with greed, it's because they don't want to cheapen the experience of playing the game! They care so much about their customers, of course!
Where did I say anything like that? Companies put up sales because they want more money. Wube think that that is dishonest, and choose their own sense of ethics instead of money. You can argue that they're wrong, or that you disagree with their ethics, but you can't argue that they're greedy just from that point alone. (Well, you can, since you obviously are, but...)

I, for one, don't completely agree with them that sales are necessarily dishonest. Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't -- it depends on how they're done. But your argument is outright ridiculous. (Note: "attack the argument, not the person".)
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piccolo255 の投稿を引用:
I have never seen them attempt to stamp out third-party links, Nexus has a section for Factorio mods, etc. You're gonna need at least some evidence beyond your vague suspicion.[en.wikipedia.org]

Yes, of course it's just a silly conspiracy theory. And you're just a fanboy who will die defending the developer you idolize. Wow, it sure is fun acting like an immature jerk instead of having a respectful discussion. Thanks, for that.

Nexus mods has exactly 11 Factorio mods. The last mod was uploaded there in 2018. If you are seriously referring to that as a legitimate place to download mods, then you are truly an idiot (More insulting people you disagree with! Isn't this great?)

piccolo255 の投稿を引用:
Except that companies don't put up sales because they're just so philanthropic, they put them up because sales increase profit. Wube is leaving a lot of money on the table by not having sales. It looks to me that either you're assuming that Wube are idiots that in their greed don't see that "no sales" = "less profit", or that Wube are evil and almost every other company in the world are only looking out for us even if it costs them a lot of money.

Ah I see, so that's the reason for never putting the game on sale. It has nothing to do with greed, it's because they don't want to cheapen the experience of playing the game! They care so much about their customers, of course!

You know I was just thinking that a few days ago, about the game Alien Isolation. Because it was on sale for just $3 you see. And I was totally going to buy it for such a cheap price, but then I realized that who the hell would want to play a $3 piece of crap game like that? Man I feel terrible for anyone who fell for that trick. They must feel really miserable now that they've played the game and wish they had paid the full $60 when they had the chance, the poor things.

Okay I just couldn't sit by any longer and ahave to give my 2 cents on this because I see some blatant fallacies in THIS post.

Factorio hasn't EVER been agressive towards 3rd party websites when it comes to mods. Proof of that can be found in a myriad of places where modders use GitHub, Dropbox and/or Nexus (amongst others) to share and distribute their mods without having any opposition from the Dev. MOST modders just prefer the modportal because it is convenient (as factoriomods was closed after the dev announced he thought that was such a good idea they made their own INTEGRATED modportal...factoriomods never had that option as a 3rd party website and thusly became obsolete)...there was no malicious effort involved in this; just natural cause and effect.

Furthermore there ARE games that actually draw back from sales and a good example of this was Vampire:The Masquerade when the Epic Megasale was going on. They actually withdrew their game from EGS entirely and a spokesperson relayed that their reason for doing so was that they felt that going on sale so quickly after the game was released would give a false impression to gamers that the devs weren't happy with the end result of the game they made.
Additionally; Rimworld has only seen a sale once or twice but AFTER they went 1.0 for just about the same reason Wube gave. The fact we live in a culture with greedy devs like EA, Ubisoft and other such devs does NOT mean ALL devs are like this; there definitely are some devs out there who don't do sales because they truly believe the pricing on their game is 100% correct and lowering it would give the false impression they're actually inflating their prizes when NOT on sale.

ThreeSon の投稿を引用:
piccolo255 の投稿を引用:
I have never seen them attempt to stamp out third-party links, Nexus has a section for Factorio mods, etc. You're gonna need at least some evidence beyond your vague suspicion.[en.wikipedia.org]

Yes, of course it's just a silly conspiracy theory. And you're just a fanboy who will die defending the developer you idolize. Wow, it sure is fun acting like an immature jerk instead of having a respectful discussion. Thanks, for that.

Nexus mods has exactly 11 Factorio mods. The last mod was uploaded there in 2018. If you are seriously referring to that as a legitimate place to download mods, then you are truly an idiot (More insulting people you disagree with! Isn't this great?)

piccolo255 の投稿を引用:
Except that companies don't put up sales because they're just so philanthropic, they put them up because sales increase profit. Wube is leaving a lot of money on the table by not having sales. It looks to me that either you're assuming that Wube are idiots that in their greed don't see that "no sales" = "less profit", or that Wube are evil and almost every other company in the world are only looking out for us even if it costs them a lot of money.

Ah I see, so that's the reason for never putting the game on sale. It has nothing to do with greed, it's because they don't want to cheapen the experience of playing the game! They care so much about their customers, of course!

You know I was just thinking that a few days ago, about the game Alien Isolation. Because it was on sale for just $3 you see. And I was totally going to buy it for such a cheap price, but then I realized that who the hell would want to play a $3 piece of crap game like that? Man I feel terrible for anyone who fell for that trick. They must feel really miserable now that they've played the game and wish they had paid the full $60 when they had the chance, the poor things.

@ThreeSon: stop calling people names and flaming. As far as your conspiracy theories go: this is not the place for them. Unless you can provide proof, your outlandish theories are not welcome.
Dr. Donghammer M.D. の投稿を引用:
"help i pirated the game and i cant get mods to run" is all I hear

The mouse icon next to your user name indicates whether someone owns a game on Steam. But of course the only reason someone would ever criticise the developer of a game you like is because they are a pirate.
最近の変更はThreeSonが行いました; 2020年5月27日 7時31分
Dr. Donghammer M.D. の投稿を引用:
ThreeSon の投稿を引用:

The mouse icon next to your user name indicates whether someone owns a game on Steam. But of course the only reason someone would ever criticise the developer of a game you like is because they are a pirate.

you have played the game for 16 minutes and are upset about mods login. Sounds like you pirated it played it, got upset you couldn't use mods. Bought the game to ♥♥♥♥ post here about how unfair it is.
I literally bought the game and it linked with steam and I've had no issues with mods at all.

You can refund the game if you have played less than 2 hours

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1039715244303482845/75658335DFB1B5403042B3F33DFC0B8C5EAF7C05/
Dr. Donghammer M.D. の投稿を引用:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2110706856

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Yes, in case it's still not clear by now - I bought the game in 2018, only tried to play it recently, found that downloading mods is DRM restricted, made a post asking why.
Dr. Donghammer M.D. の投稿を引用:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2110706856

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@Dr. Donghammer You also have no idea how many hours the person has played OFF Steam. (You can download various versions of the game from the Factorio website).

Stop attacking this player. Stop pseudo moderating. You have been warned.
tom 2020年7月3日 7時41分 
op, i want to assume you are not trolling or bashing on devs;

you can move and change mods the same way you move saves in the factorio folder (appdata on windows iirc), i already have done this completly offline witouth issues.

the reason nobody loads the mods elsewere(or at least, i didn't search them elsewhrre), is probably because it works way too well the current system.

moreover, game updates often break mods, mods devs can quickly fix the problems and players can let the system update the mods, it also doesn't delete the older versions afaik.
we might see mods elsewere when the game is completed, the conatand changes whould make mods updating too much of a hassle otherwise.
bb 2020年7月5日 19時11分 
Going back to your OP... I believe it only makes sense for them to require some sort of login to help with demograph purpose idk... Since all the time i have played on steam factorio (2500+hrs) never had i been told to make an account to use the mods though the ingame mod loader. Also the devs have only the cost of hosting the mods on there end though a power bill/internet bill.They self host towers as they have shown us before and i am confident that they would give fair notice of any service closure so we who love the game will be able to some how pull all mods to somewhere else.
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