requester chests too late

[Tacendus]

Can anyone enlighten me as to why requirement crates under space age are only researched with WHITE science, while you get the bots with blue? What am I supposed to do with the bots without the crates?
As it stands right now, I might as well remove logistics robots from the game altogether - long before they become available, I'll have lost interest in the game for sure. HEY! it's not just hardcore game junkies out here!

[Khaylain]

You can do quite a lot with just basic logistics chests. I basically never use requester chests anyway.

[Tacendus]

If that is the case, please explain it to me. I really, seriously, have no idea how bots are supposed to take anything specifically anywhere without request boxes.
Oh - and it's about logistic bots and production, of course. Supplying the construction robots is trivial and doesn't really interest me; i am doing that with personal roboports and for that even a manual mall is fine.

[DFOXpro Colombia UN]

Space-Exploration was a lesson to be prepare for this

[Khaylain]

Originally posted by Tacendus:

If that is the case, please explain it to me. I really, seriously, have no idea how bots are supposed to take anything specifically anywhere without request boxes.
Oh - and it's about logistic bots and production, of course. Supplying the construction robots is trivial and doesn't really interest me; i[sic] am doing that with personal roboports and for that even a manual mall is fine.

I generally don't use bots for production, that just seems boring to me. Plop down the same blueprint, set the recipe. I'd much rather do tagliatelle and direct insertion between machines.
But logistics chests with a filter will get the thing you filter for (if no other chest already has the item in it), so I use that with circuit network on the inserters putting things into chests to limit how much the inserters put in there.

The devs have commented that making logistics bots probably was a mistake, but too many people really like them to make it viable to remove them, so they've stayed. Having the requester chests later in the tech tree is probably part of their gameplay vision, since that means you'll have to do a lot more with just belts and such, and making tagliatelle everywhere to get stuff where you need.

There might be a mod that can help you if you feel that strongly that you need the requester chests earlier, though.

[OldWhovian]

Dw it'll be like 1-2 days before a modder moves it back to where it should be. Until then you can use the console commands to just unlock it early

[Tacendus]

@Khaylain
Thank you very much for your explanations. I already suspected that it would come down to the logistics boxes with filters - but I just don't understand how it's supposed to work. The bots simply take things to the nearest suitable chest; only when this is full do they fly on to the next one. How am I supposed to distribute things even halfway sensibly like that? Do you know of a possibility i dont see (yet)?
You love your "tagliatelle" - thats ok. But i dont. I do prefer a clean and proper production site; to me a very prominent aspect of gameplay is it, to avoid crossings of belts or rails as much as possible. Beyond a certain complexity this is frankly impossible, and thats the point of frustration and no return (to this play-not-through).
So i just can hope, that someone comes up with a (for me) viable idea to manage the bots, or with a mod.
While I can understand why the developers want to nerf the bots (even if I don't like it), I can't understand why they do such half-hearted things. If they don't like the bots - just get rid of them. At least then you know what's going on. But like this... If I'm supposed to eat less to lose weight, I'm not going to put truckloads of food on the table and over-salt it. Oh well...

[Architector #4]

I wonder if you can just disable space age for now, build everything you need, and reenable it later lmao

[Khaylain]

Hmmm, can you use cars or tanks as requester chest analogues? I think I saw something like them being able to have logistics stuff.

[Azrael]

don't forget that you get space science *much* earlier than you used to, so it's not actually that much of a delay (and FWIW, logi bots have always been unlocked a bit before the chests, that's not new)

[Entropy]

Logistics bots are not that much needed until requester chests in my opinion. You first abuse construction bots to advance quickly to more technologies then when u unlock the requester chests, u switch to bots from belts.

[Garudazeno]

I don't understand this logic either, being able to launch a rocket before you get full bot functionality.

[Khaylain]

Originally posted by Garudazeno:

I don't understand this logic either, being able to launch a rocket before you get full bot functionality.

So where are the full bot functionality of robots automatically delivering everything to us? Humans have sent up a lot of rockets, after all XD

[puschit]

Originally posted by Garudazeno:

I don't understand this logic either, being able to launch a rocket before you get full bot functionality.

Because launching a rocket is much faster now and not the thing that wins you the game - it's merely the point where you start exploring the other planets.

[kraysellz]

Originally posted by Khaylain:

Originally posted by Tacendus:

But logistics chests with a filter will get the thing you filter for (if no other chest already has the item in it), so I use that with circuit network on the inserters putting things into chests to limit how much the inserters put in there.

How to do this exactly? So have storage chests and then use filters in the storage chest? That's the only logistics chest available with the robots and provider chest.

I don't think robots will take from provider to storage because it's passive provider and not active provider.

[James]

I use the bots at blue science so I don't have to manually build stuff anymore, pasting down blueprints etc. it's nice to have some and a personal roboport in the modular/power armour around that level. But yeah I don't really use them that much until logi chests. It doesn't take long to get to blue or even white science in space age so it's not a big deal.