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mrbeast667 Mar 17, 2019 @ 4:49am
Burner inserters won't supply from furnaces
When you have a belt that is 1/2 iron ore and 1/2 coal, a burner inserter will feed itself some of the coal, as well as supplying ore and coal to the furnace. BUT a burner inserter put on the other side of the furnace to place iron plates on the belt will NOT feed itself coal, despite that there is coal in the furnace.
It should work, but it doesn't.

I'm playing 0.16 and haven't found anything in the thousands of changes to 0.17 that addresses this. Please tell me if 0.17 corrects this.
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Kinder Lijk Mar 17, 2019 @ 4:54am 
Originally posted by mrbeast667:
Please tell me if 0.17 corrects this.
It's intentional, so no.

Furnaces don't output coal.
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piccolo255 Mar 17, 2019 @ 4:58am 
Unlikely to be changed in vanilla, but there's a mod for it: https://mods.factorio.com/mod/InserterFuelLeech
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mrbeast667 Mar 17, 2019 @ 8:38am 
If I can transfer science packs between labs, why can't I move coal in a similar fashion?

Also, I tried the mod, it didn't seem to work
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impetus_maximus Mar 17, 2019 @ 9:06am 
it's been discussed before. it's not going to happen in vanilla.

you can supply fuel to a burner inserter by using another burner inserter.
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w1c1ow Mar 17, 2019 @ 9:27am 
Originally posted by impetus maximus:
it's been discussed before. it's not going to happen in vanilla.

you can supply fuel to a burner inserter by using another burner inserter.
At this point, it's probably simpler to use electric inserters.
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Lunacy Mar 17, 2019 @ 9:30am 
just use electric inserters
unless you're doing some crazy no-tree challenge
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AlexMBrennan Mar 17, 2019 @ 9:53am 
why can't I move coal in a similar fashion?
If the inserter doesn't take coal then it runs out of fuel and you are screwed.

If the inserter does take coal then it will fill the belt with coal and you are screwed.

If the inserter only leeches coal for itself then you break any cascade setups (inserter taking coal from the first line of boilers to feed the 2nd) and someone else is screwed.

Someone will get screwed no matter what you do.

Furnaces don't output coal.
Furnaces have a fuel slot (just like boilers and burner mining drills), and burner inserters can take fuel from some fuel slots (boiler and mining drill) but not others (furnace).

So yes, it is correct to point out that the behaviour is inconsistent.
Last edited by AlexMBrennan; Mar 17, 2019 @ 9:54am
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>//The_FALCON Mar 17, 2019 @ 11:12am 
solution: put another coal belt and feed the output inserters with that coal and more burner inserters

but honestly why don't you just use normal inserters like everyone else?
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Pyrrhus Mar 17, 2019 @ 3:37pm 
Instead of having belts on opposite side of furnace for iron plates, put new belts on a side of furnaces then put a burner inserter for that side to unload iron plates and another burner inserter between that burner inserter and those belts that carry iron ore and coal to fuel from inserter to another.
Last edited by Pyrrhus; Mar 17, 2019 @ 3:37pm
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Pyrrhus Mar 17, 2019 @ 3:43pm 
Originally posted by >//The_FALCONTnY:
but honestly why don't you just use normal inserters like everyone else?

Some players prolly like to irritate the bitters more that way as if they're trying to torture them. Or another way to sink coal resources when there are coal fields being in the way of bus to clear them out.
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impetus_maximus Mar 17, 2019 @ 4:03pm 
Originally posted by Pyrrhus:
Some players prolly like to irritate the bitters more that way as if they're trying to torture them.

torture them how? burner inserters don't create pollution.
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Pyrrhus Mar 17, 2019 @ 4:10pm 
Originally posted by impetus maximus:
Originally posted by Pyrrhus:
Some players prolly like to irritate the bitters more that way as if they're trying to torture them.

torture them how? burner inserters don't create pollution.

Really? That's new and strange to me.
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impetus_maximus Mar 17, 2019 @ 4:14pm 
Originally posted by Pyrrhus:
Really? That's new and strange to me.
yeah it's a little strange. anything that produces pollution will have a pollution stat when mousing over it. trains don't create pollution either.

https://wiki.factorio.com/Pollution
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Pyrrhus Mar 17, 2019 @ 6:30pm 
Wow, that's like claiming there's such a thing as clean coal. How can boilers create more pollution than anything else? That's like claiming steam also creates pollution. In reality, boilers can also run on electricity from steamers to heat up the water as feedback loop. Maybe devs will adjust boilers being able to run on either electricity or coal as option for players wanting to cut down pollution in the future.
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mrbeast667 Mar 18, 2019 @ 4:55am 
It seems the mod does work, I just had to pick up the burner inserter and put it back down to activate it.

Originally posted by AlexMBrennan:
why can't I move coal in a similar fashion?
If the inserter doesn't take coal then it runs out of fuel and you are screwed.

If the inserter does take coal then it will fill the belt with coal and you are screwed.

If the inserter only leeches coal for itself then you break any cascade setups (inserter taking coal from the first line of boilers to feed the 2nd) and someone else is screwed.

Someone will get screwed no matter what you do.

Since a modder made it work (and it doesn't put coal on the belt) it seems to me that it was intentional for some other reason.

I'm going to have to see if this will work for a steel smelting setup. i.e. belt 1/2 iron ore, half coal -> burner inserter -> furnace -> burner Inserter -> furnace -> burner inserter -> belt with steel plates. perhaps this is the sort of cascade setup you were talking about.
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