Endboss Scaling [Spoilers]

[HoboProBro]

Ok so what's up with the level scaling on the Red Queens Avatar? First time I went through the game it seemed fine, don't actually remember which level she was, I was around 29 or something and killed her on my second try.

Now on my second playthrough, in which I tried to kill as many people as possible (first playthrough I killed only two NPCs), I ended up at around 41 but the Avatar sits at 51 which is ridiculous. Of course I noticed that the enemies scale up throughout the game, but never this much. I kill Harriet Jones in literally one hit from my Ultra and the Red Queens Avatar just doesn't take any damage at all. First time through I could just stick with my two-handed weopon and never needed additional blood for healing or any items and now I can't finish the game because I quite frankly am not willing to fighting for three years per try.

Does it maybe scale her up depending on how many districts are lost or something? Kind of salty I don't get to see the bad ending after spending so much time at being a lunatic.

[AC Denton]

Could be the districts thing, but I only lost Whitechapel and the Red Queen was level 43 & I was level 40 and beat her first try, was tough though, don't know if I could have done it without the legendary sword.
May just be how many citizens you fed on.

I think the reasoning for it is to punish the player/make it harder because they chose to be bad, as they only get that high a level if you do and the only way to get that high is through killing a lot.
Personally, I seen no way whatseoever I could have done this game without killing anyone so ia dmit I have no idea how the pacifist run is even possible.

[AC Denton]

I got the bad ending (I think):

Elizabeth runs away to Scotland (yay), she then kills her dad then you try to convince her to not kill herself too. Jonathan says he's willing to risk everyone if it means her living, expaling he's no longer the innocent guy she loved, she sees no reaosn to stay because of that and then dies in the fire.

I must say it's not what I wanted in my first run and really left me salty with the game, despite it being a really good game, I just felt almost forced to kill because everyone kicked my butt.

No idea what the good ending is and not sure if I'll ever see it as I'm not sure I'll even play it again after being so upset with the ending, maybe one day.

[HoboProBro]

That's weird, I assumed it would just scale her up based on my own level, since that's tied to how many people I killed anyway. I didn't do any Investigations, so I lost out on a lot of XP, but I find it weird that the final boss would be the only one that gets scaled by how "bad" you were. Rest of the bosses were cannon fodder, the boss in the graveyard took an Ultra and two or three punches.

Actually - and this in unrelated - I wish there would be an unlockable hard mode, since I found the idea of having to sacrifice characters to level up really fun, but never felt the need to do so. Killed two people because I felt they were really bad blokes. Which makes it all the more strange that I just cannot finish the game in what felt like an easy mode the second time around.

But if it's any help, I got one of the two "good" endings in my first run and was kinda disappointed with it too, despite loving the rest of the game. Felt like it was a little short (the ending, not the game).

[Fairy(Scary)TaleTimes]

I think she scales towards the players level, always being about 10 levels ahead.
I had her at 36 I believe as level 24 with all Districts "Healthy" or better.

I couldnt confirm this myself because far to boring but I had noticed an increase to the numbers of spawns she creates during my replays for event hunting.
That she was creating a base of one spawn per every tenth level that she had and an additional spawn for every dead NPC.
If anyone knows better or different, I'd like to know if I was just overthinking that.

[Baka no Kami]

I think it's based on kills with 51 or so being the max. I ate just about everyone in 3 districts and ended up at 50 with her at 51. I saw someone post elsewhere that they didn't kill anyone and she was only 30.

I kind of like it. It a little perverse for the game to temp you into feeding on NPCs to level up more, then hit you with a harder finale for it.

[yugiinving]

She does not scale with the players levels, her level depend of your decision through the entire game. for exemple. if you embrace or youir decision lead to the death of many citizen, the Red Level will be very high, hinting you are going to get a bad ending.
Her level ranged from 30 to 51.

In fact, enemies do not scale with the player level. they will gain levels or change depending on your story progession.

For exemple, look here : https://s33.postimg.cc/aq9glp0un/Screenshot.png

I am lv 32, having overleveled the final boss and got Not even Once,.

[HoboProBro]

Okay sweet, thanks for all the clarification. Guess I should have taken my time then, to collect all the hints and do some side quests to get more XP. Thought it was entirely level based.

[LardMaker]

I just finished my game no embrace and turned all available pcs that can be vampires into progenies like Cullum, Swansea and Sea. I was able to defeat the red queen with level 25 and she was 35 on my first try.

[Jhonny G]

Duing my 'Not Even Once' run I fought The Red Queen as lvl26 and she was only lvl30. It puzzled me a bit why she would be so weak when the mobs roaming the city ranged all the way to lvl40.

But after reading the feedback here it's starting to make sense if her difficulty/lvl is directly tied into the health status of the distrcts and its citizens. I mean, The Disease is a manifastation of her physical presence in our world, so it kinda make sense that the more death and disease there is the stronger she becomes.

It's just a theory though, but if that's actually how it work then the devs should have done a better job at hinting it ingame. Maybe if Dr.Reid didn't act like a spoiled child that got the wrong colour of lollipop every time he meets The Horned Man, we might have been able to learn something from him.