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He gave the hint that time, so the 2nd option for getting it worked. It's just the first that bugged. Now that he is all healed, and full xp is there.. time to kill bates, once I'm done with the sewers/Sean Hampton.
I think I'm about where I was the last time I tried to play this game, so it's new going forward.. Excited to see what happens. The bugs I've noticed so far aren't too serious at least (this and others not mentioned).