Red eyes

[Nihil]

Hey all.
Do you know why Jonathan has red eyes?
I assume it has something to do with killing people.
(I decided to kill only a**holes [even I know the game isn't that complex to make any difference who of the NPCs you kill] like Cox and the scammer landlord - already killed them - and later on want to kill the maniac pries and the 2 gang leaders )
But i really hope his eyes won't remain this for the entire game. Looks annoying as hell.
Especially since none of the other vampires like Lady Ashburn has similar eyes even after they are also killing people.

[IvantheFormidable]

Yep, the red eye thing is tied to killing people. Not sure if it's progressive or not (as in darker red the more you kill), but I believe that once you start killing it's not possible to reset it to the pacifist look.

[Anaria-Ithil]

I embraced about 3 citizens and yes Jonathan's appearance did change meaning more dark veins in his face and the red eyes, I played a new save where I did not embraced anyone, his appearance did not change at all.

[Nihil]

Too bad. Pretty dumb mechanic, since the game isn't making any differenc who you embrace and kill. I mean, it should count if you kill only bad people or not. And it should be possible to revert this physical change. And since the Ashburn is also killing people (even if they are already close to death) she should look the same.

[IvantheFormidable]

Originally posted by Nihilus:

Too bad. Pretty dumb mechanic, since the game isn't making any differenc who you embrace and kill. I mean, it should count if you kill only bad people or not. And it should be possible to revert this physical change. And since the Ashburn is also killing people (even if they are already close to death) she should look the same.

Eh, I don't think the mechanic's dumb, but I think it could stand to be explained more, as it seems like each individual Ekon's physical features differ and don't seem to follow a general trend, which isn't explicitly explained as far as I know.

And I don't think it should make a distinction between good and bad people in terms of appearance change.

Edit: I would prefer for there to be another system alongside the appearance which depicts Reid's state of mind. One way to reflect that in combat would be adding finishing moves like in Spec Ops: The Line, where they get progressively more brutal (in this case, if you become murderous, etc.) or more "humane" kills.

[Nihil]

Yeah there was something like that in the old Star Wars Jedi Knight games I think. You could use light or dark side powers when you went into one of these directions. :)

[Hustler Bo'Jenkins]

I think the difference is that Lady Ashburn is feeding off of sick, dying, and (presumably) willing hosts, whereas you, like some other vampires you encounter in the game, are killing innocent people.

[Nihil]

Originally posted by hustlerbojenkins:

I think the difference is that Lady Ashburn is feeding off of sick, dying, and (presumably) willing hosts, whereas you, like some other vampires you encounter in the game, are killing innocent people.

Well i started to play the game along a moral codex. Only killing dangerouse people who are a$$$holes.
Like: The priest who burns people, the gang leaders, and the serial killer
To bad, this -differentiate between good and bad people - wasn't an aspect which they took in consideration when creating the game. :)

[Hustler Bo'Jenkins]

"Innocentish people" is what I should have said. Unwilling would also be a good descriptor. The way I understand it so far, it is implied at least (through her sitting with that first person for like 2-3 in game nights if you lay he story and don't rest) that she talks to them until they are willing. The good Doctor Swansea probably helps in this aspect as well.

That's really the only thing I can think of. Bear in mind that I'm being very charitable to the dev here. It's possible that they just wanted her to look a certain way and game mechanics be damned. I've only met two vampires so far.

[Finsterdrache]

"(I decided to kill only a**holes"
Thats the point, it makes absolutly no matter if the people you kill in the game ar a**holes or not. They could acting like ♥♥♥♥, that doesn't count. Just how much NPC you kill. That's so useless. It's like uhhh... you have killed 10 people that's why you are bad .... aha, but that I killed more than 50 Vampirehunters and Skals doesn't matter ... yes ... ok...

[TunaFish]

honestly, embracing should have the opposite effect on your character. embracing shouldn't make you more monster like, instead it should make you look more human-like and less like a walking corpse, since drinking fresh blood basically revitalizes vampires. it would give players more incentive to start embracing more people to make John look better physically.

anyways, anyone know if there is a setting in the game script to change it back?