(Spoilers) About Mary...

[DarthJack]

So in the prologue, the player character brutally murders his sister. He then spends the next two chapters crying and feeling remorseful for said actions. Then, he discovers that his sister is actually alive but is now a fellow vampire. Seems like the only appropriate thing to do would be to...immediatelly kill her again? WTF??

You aren't even given a choice, in a game that's supposed to be all about you making impactful choices. Sure, you can choose to spare the insane cannibal Skal, but your own sister? Nuh uh. No choice given, just a cutscene where Jonathan kills her(again) and mopes some more.

"choices matter" huh?

[Humble]

You don't had any choice, she driven mad by voice, and want to kill you, I think she don't want to be vampire at all, she hate to be one.

[The Tempted Man]

This game is stupid beyond belief to be honest.

[Malkav0]

While the game remain good - pretty useless to fall into extreme and sterile judgement - the point is very valid: Mary may not be a pillar (but so isn't McCullum ) but considering the dramatic role and moment, it feels odd, afterwards, to not have a choice... And also to have only one attitude: imagine a murderous Reid, would he still say the same things ? It's reasonable to imagine it wouldn't turn out the same...
Basically, while the game is very good and a nice entry in the too scarce AA field, it missed an interesting opportunity of alterating the story along 2 opposite charater development, pacifist or murderous. It HAS consequences, but only on the ending, and not as much as I feel it should have ( consider that that the thirst for blood would likely alter the relation with the lady much sooner... ). Heck, there could even have been an instance where you roam alongside Mary. It would have required a bit of alternative route and an early "falling from grace" way, and I can totally understand a game budget is a heavy determining factor. So I do enjoy the game as it is ^^ But there was ways... Ah, so much potential ! =) I had my fix of excellent vampire game for now... But "I have this thirst for vampire games" xD Never fed, as a certain mythical figure would say

[kesat]

Originally posted by Zapp Brannigan:

Originally posted by Humble:

You don't had any choice, she driven mad by voice, and want to kill you, I think she don't want to be vampire at all, she hate to be one.

After you beat her though, she gives up and asks you to kill her, Reid originally says no. Mary goes into a depressing spiel and Reid kills her. It doesnt make sense to me and i personally hated that part of the game.

What would be the alternative? She's pretty much broken and would continue on her killing spree - she's pretty much a feral vampire and yet just wants to die. It's imo pretty much she - or everyone else.

And unlike the Skal it's out of question if she's going to kill people. In his case it's a risk - but it's not certain that he's feral.


btw: if it would be a choice i could see people ranting again because of the "trap": letting a feral vampire life and then she's killing citizens everywhere and chaos is on the loose. That kind of decision would break your game - and not just a district.

[Seb]

Originally posted by kesat:

Originally posted by Zapp Brannigan:

After you beat her though, she gives up and asks you to kill her, Reid originally says no. Mary goes into a depressing spiel and Reid kills her. It doesnt make sense to me and i personally hated that part of the game.

What would be the alternative? She's pretty much broken and would continue on her killing spree - she's pretty much a feral vampire and yet just wants to die. It's imo pretty much she - or everyone else.

And unlike the Skal it's out of question if she's going to kill people. In his case it's a risk - but it's not certain that he's feral.


btw: if it would be a choice i could see people ranting again because of the "trap": letting a feral vampire life and then she's killing citizens everywhere and chaos is on the loose. That kind of decision would break your game - and not just a district.

It would also be absurdly out of character for Johnny, "Oh hey sis. Yeah i´ll doom you to an eternity as a bloodsucking monster so you´ll never be reunited with your husband and child. Ain´t i a great brother?"

[Ashenstride]

Originally posted by DarthJack:

So in the prologue, the player character brutally murders his sister. He then spends the next two chapters crying and feeling remorseful for said actions. Then, he discovers that his sister is actually alive but is now a fellow vampire. Seems like the only appropriate thing to do would be to...immediatelly kill her again? WTF??

You aren't even given a choice, in a game that's supposed to be all about you making impactful choices. Sure, you can choose to spare the insane cannibal Skal, but your own sister? Nuh uh. No choice given, just a cutscene where Jonathan kills her(again) and mopes some more.

"choices matter" huh?

Here's the thing:

1. She feels the same hatred towards her maker as you feel towards yours. She feels cursed and miserable and blames you for making her into what she is. She wants revenge and will try to kill you, or make you suffer if she can't kill you, for as long as she exists. She explicitly threatens other people you care about when you refuse to kill her after she is defeated.

2. Becoming a vampire broke her mind. She was a sweet and kind woman in life, and the hunger for blood (and possibly the murder of some innocent people as a result of that uncontrolable desire) was not something she could reconcile. As a result, Jonathan realized rational persuasion wasn't going to work. There was no way Jonathan could save her from herself.

[Jhonny G]

What I find most annoying is that they decided to kill Mary 2.0 off right after you meet her.. It's like someone dangling a big juicy steak right infront of your face and then throwing it down the garbage disposal.

I was very intrigued by her character and had hoped there would be alot more interaction with her. Maybe we could get a DLC that would allow us to play and experience Mary's story?

[kesat]

Originally posted by Dogmatius:

What I find most annoying is that they decided to kill Mary 2.0 off right after you meet her.. It's like someone dangling a big juicy steak right infront of your face and then throwing it down the garbage disposal.

I was very intrigued by her character and had hoped there would be alot more interaction with her. Maybe we could get a DLC that would allow us to play and experience Mary's story?

I doubt that there's much to tell about her story regarding her afterlife. After her transformation (and a short time of orientation) she's pretty much out for you right from the start...

She's pretty much a vampire for a few days only...

[Malkav0]

Originally posted by kesat:

Originally posted by Zapp Brannigan:

After you beat her though, she gives up and asks you to kill her, Reid originally says no. Mary goes into a depressing spiel and Reid kills her. It doesnt make sense to me and i personally hated that part of the game.

What would be the alternative? She's pretty much broken and would continue on her killing spree - she's pretty much a feral vampire and yet just wants to die. It's imo pretty much she - or everyone else.

And unlike the Skal it's out of question if she's going to kill people. In his case it's a risk - but it's not certain that he's feral.


btw: if it would be a choice i could see people ranting again because of the "trap": letting a feral vampire life and then she's killing citizens everywhere and chaos is on the loose. That kind of decision would break your game - and not just a district.

An alternative would only exist if a darker palythrough existed in the narrative. As the game is now, it'd be out of character since the tone and lines of the character don't really change even when killing lots of people. It would have required a whole second face to the game and it's perfectly understandable it wasn't done (it'd cost a lot). Though, lots of potential

As the game is now, what you suggest is interesting, you could fail (refuse I mean) to kill her... With consequences. What you state is true too: the consequences could be too high to be a reasonable, even enjoyable gameplay. The only other character McCullum you make a fateful choice outside of pillars doesn't produce much consequences, and it's a bit surprising, to not say puzzling, to be honest.

[Humble]

But she look great as vampire, thought. but oh well, I guess vampire isn't for everyone.

[jack_of_tears]

The game is incredibly linear and it seems like all the important choices are taken out of your hand aside from who to kill or cure.

[aNØØBis]

How she even managed to become vampire ?
You need to drink blood of vampire to become one, but she just died from us and then become a vampire. How is that possible?

[Khryst]

Originally posted by YoRo:

How she even managed to become vampire ?
You need to drink blood of vampire to become one, but she just died from us and then become a vampire. How is that possible?

1 of 2 ways.

1. the bite turned her, you can find a document later in the game that says while this method of transformation is rare it does occur.
or
2.when he kissed her goodbye as she was dying some of his blood dripped into her mouth and thus turned her.

it's never said HOW much blood is needed to cause the transformation and could even be a single drop is capable of turning a person.

Edit:looking back at some of the dialogue from Johnathan it's when he kissed her, some of his blood got into her system and turned her, he even states had he known that such a thing was possible he never would've done it.

[Viktor]

Originally posted by kblaze13:

Originally posted by YoRo:

How she even managed to become vampire ?
You need to drink blood of vampire to become one, but she just died from us and then become a vampire. How is that possible?

1 of 2 ways.

1. the bite turned her, you can find a document later in the game that says while this method of transformation is rare it does occur.
or
2.when he kissed her goodbye as she was dying some of his blood dripped into her mouth and thus turned her.

it's never said HOW much blood is needed to cause the transformation and could even be a single drop is capable of turning a person.

Edit:looking back at some of the dialogue from Johnathan it's when he kissed her, some of his blood got into her system and turned her, he even states had he known that such a thing was possible he never would've done it.

The edit is the answer, actually meanwhile you fight with Mary she tells you that, something like: Can you kiss me now brother? teasing him because that is what converted her.

[Humble]

Ok, I am done game, and found out why mary are like that, because it's not work on female under noraml, only male with sound mind can become vampire with normal mindset, but female into vampire with crazy mind, with hate blood of sort. Elisabeth Ashbury is only female vampire with sound mind but only because of her father save her from madness, if Jonathan Reid knew and aware of this problem, I bet he might keep her (mary) in cage and try find cure for mary, but he wasn't aware of it a time and killed mary second time, then later discover problem (blood of hate on only female) and finding cure, but too late for him to save mary from blood of hate from red queen. Myrddin seem to be good, but simple and not understand human way since Myrddin isn't human and never been human so I guess it's might why he didn't tell john how it work. It's almost like tv show "bitten" werewolves, only male can be werewolves safe, very rare female can alive and be werewolves, because female often die when try change wolve frist time, but in this game lore, it's seem female can be vampire but crazy, anger, pure hate with no controls.