Stay well clear if you value combat in your games.

[MAGNUM]

Combat is so bad on keyboard and mouse I just can't play anymore. Shame, the rest of the game was good.

[kesat]

Playing Witcher 3 again after finishing Vampyr I've to revoke my previous statement, that the usability is comparable (with W3 being a little bit better). The combat in Witcher 3 is actually worse due to the constant auto-targetting (esp. if you don't lock a target). For some reason I forgot about that "feature".

[KyrenCross]

I also refunded this game cause of them not properly optimizing their game with the mouse and keyboard. Very irritating and not worth the full price.

Just let the price drop to match the quality of the product to the actual performance on the mouse and keyboard. Slow to patch and no communication from the devs shows they really dont care about the PC platform.

[KyrenCross]

Originally posted by Lord_of_Death:

Originally posted by Escapist83:

"There are dozens of us... LITERALLY DOZENS!"

lets go look at the store page well looks good there must be YOU lol

People who are disappointed with the mouse and keyboard optimization that gave a negative review probably refunded. And if you refund your game, your review will be deleted. So yeah there are hundreds of negative reviews about this that probably got deleted and a dozen still remained.

[Timur]

It is not only the m/k implementation, it is also the combat as a whole. I'm now like half way through the game and all the game does is spamm opponents every 5 meters. It completely destroys any hope of immersion or any atmosphere the game could have had. Specially since the kind of the opponents doesn't make sense. Sure, those vampire hunters have like 10.000 men or something and there 10.000s or even 100.000 vampires in London or something? It is utterly preposterous and boring.

[Peelsepuuppi]

Originally posted by kesat:

Playing Witcher 3 again after finishing Vampyr I've to revoke my previous statement, that the usability is comparable (with W3 being a little bit better). The combat in Witcher 3 is actually worse due to the constant auto-targetting (esp. if you don't lock a target). For some reason I forgot about that "feature".

That's more of a design issue than overall quality. While Witcher 3 combat was never amazing it is at least somewhat smoother than this. In this game the combat animations are horrible and the overall feel of the combat is clunky and unresponsive. The combat itself is pretty damn basic, but it's not like W3 was anything special.

[kesat]

Originally posted by Timur:

I'm now like half way through the game and all the game does is spamm opponents every 5 meters. It completely destroys any hope of immersion or any atmosphere the game could have had.

The pure amount of enemies in the game is indeed quite a killer regarding immersion. How are vampires unknown to the public if there are hundreds of them roaming on the street by night? And hundreds of dead vampires corpses cluttering the streets in the morning...

Originally posted by ToveriJuri:

That's more of a design issue than overall quality. While Witcher 3 combat was never amazing it is at least somewhat smoother than this. In this game the combat animations are horrible and the overall feel of the combat is clunky and unresponsive. The combat itself is pretty damn basic, but it's not like W3 was anything special.

Do you mean that a bad combat mechanic (usability) is forgivable, because it looks (animations) and feels (responsiveness) better than a game were usability is better, but doesn't look and feel as good? Esp. if OPs complain was about the M+K controls?

[iBe ImmorTaLiiTy]

Is fine for me. I saw gameplay trailers and this is EXACTLY what they shown. So the drama is a bit weird since you bought something u knew you would get.

[KyrenCross]

Originally posted by Timur:

It is not only the m/k implementation, it is also the combat as a whole. I'm now like half way through the game and all the game does is spamm opponents every 5 meters. It completely destroys any hope of immersion or any atmosphere the game could have had. Specially since the kind of the opponents doesn't make sense. Sure, those vampire hunters have like 10.000 men or something and there 10.000s or even 100.000 vampires in London or something? It is utterly preposterous and boring.

The combat is not well balanced too. You can spam the stun attack and bite to gain more stamina to spam some more. Beating enemies 10 levels higher than you is not that hard and same level enemies are just boring mobs. If they balance the stamina meter more then it would be a challenging combat indeed.

[iBe ImmorTaLiiTy]

Originally posted by Only Two Genders:

Originally posted by ☛︎ iBe ImmorTaLiiTy ☜ ✔:

Is fine for me. I saw gameplay trailers and this is EXACTLY what they shown. So the drama is a bit weird since you bought something u knew you would get.

Yeah, because watching gameplay videos is a great way of getting a feel for the controls.

Controls? Wut? It plays exactly how it was presented 2 years ago. I don't see the problem, except for the stutters and fps dips.

[MaebeKnot]

Originally posted by MAGNUM:

You serious? I expect to get a quality game when I pay top prices
, can you not get that into your head? sigh..

yeah but you didn't pay top prices for this game. Top price is $60 and another $40 for season pass. If not even more then that.

Hell this game still 15% at fanatical.com. Don't complain the game is to expensive if you paid the price directly through Steam. They are always the most expensive unless it's a summer sale, etc.

[Lemilys]

I find combat on keyboard and mouse just fine. Sometimes I use auto target, sometimes not - I view that as part of the strategy, to figure out when it is useful and when it is irritating. I never use controllers, can't stand them.

I sometimes whack '2' instead of '1' when I try to heal which has killed me, however I view that as my fault for relying on my touch typing instincts rather than just glancing down for accuracy!

As for value for price, well I tend to judge the value based on cost per hour of entertainment. I have 23 hours in this game which I bought for £40 (I think I got a reduced price as I pre purchased) - that's less than £2 an hour currently. I think I'm about half way through so the final sums will probably work out at about £1 an hour - what other fun activities can you access for that price?

[Raviel]

Originally posted by KyrenCross:

Originally posted by Timur:

It is not only the m/k implementation, it is also the combat as a whole. I'm now like half way through the game and all the game does is spamm opponents every 5 meters. It completely destroys any hope of immersion or any atmosphere the game could have had. Specially since the kind of the opponents doesn't make sense. Sure, those vampire hunters have like 10.000 men or something and there 10.000s or even 100.000 vampires in London or something? It is utterly preposterous and boring.

The combat is not well balanced too. You can spam the stun attack and bite to gain more stamina to spam some more. Beating enemies 10 levels higher than you is not that hard and same level enemies are just boring mobs. If they balance the stamina meter more then it would be a challenging combat indeed.

Shadow mist can often oneshot enemyes in an AoE or atleast take over 50% their hp if not ressisted.

You can upgrade weapons to give blood on hit and spam skills/heals on cd.

You can actually stunlock bosses here...

This game is more a story driven RPG, it is surprisingly challenging when you don't feed on npc but it isn't dark souls, you aren't going to die lots of times on bosses and what not(if at all), it isn't meant to be challenging for everyone.

Some find it hard as is, let the more casual players enjoy it too....

[Bram]

Originally posted by kesat:

Originally posted by Only Two Genders:

You need to be critical of developers, because this is something they should be able to resolve if they are going to port their console turds to PC.

Sure, but it's something to complain about regarding any multi-platform game. It's an issue which applies in general in the gaming industry and is not just restricted to Vampyr.

And in case of a small developer studio it's actually much more reasonable to have a less optimal port than in case of a AAA-game (like Skyrim or Witcher). Because they simply don't have the same budget to implement a perfect controllability for both.

The complain is true - but you have to put it into perspective.

What utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, they ask AAA+ money for this title and the movement makes me dizzy.

[kesat]

Originally posted by Bram:

What utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, they ask AAA+ money for this title and the movement makes me dizzy.

Oh, i don't disagree that the price tag for Vampyr is probably too high compared to other games with the same price tag.
But if you assume a certain quality just because of a price tag it's your fault.

[kesat]

Originally posted by Only Two Genders:

You don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to understand the obvious.

Originally posted by MAGNUM:

Combat is so bad on keyboard and mouse I just can't play anymore. Shame, the rest of the game was good.

Actually it's not that obvious. The controls in this game might not be perfect, but mediocre. With deviations depending on personal preferences and skill. I don't mean this offensive (not some "git gud" reference) - it's just something depending on experience.
E.g. i can't stand controllers. I'm really bad at using a controller, even if it's the most perfect way to play a certain game. If I have a choice I'll always use M+K instead of a controller, no matter what. Simply just because I'm not used to them (and never will be).

And yet I don't think that this game is that bad if you are using M+K. There are examples for really bad M+K controls, e.g. the Dark Souls games. But in Vampyr you might just need some time to adapt to the controls - but they are not that bad as some people claim.