That quest conclusion involving Dorothy Crane... [Spoilers]

[Pathblinder]

Out of the three options present I went for the [Charm] one. Now, I wanted to go for the Spare one. But here I was thinking that'd be too much of a risk, so surely removing Dorothy's memories of ever blackmailing our 'Friend' would be the best solution. It would let her continue working and helping people while no longer being a threat.

I was wrong.

This has to be the absolute worst choice explanation I've seen in a Video Game. It doesn't tell you that you not only wipe her memory of the Blackmailing, but also crack her mind, obliterate her will to continue helping people and she turns into a skal.

I JUST WANTED TO REMOVE HER MEMORIES OF THE BLACKMAIL. My god I ended up starting a new save after I saw her districts health go into Critical. I wasn't sticking with that save because of a Choice that was not my own.

Went with the spare option and now im much happier. But the salt will always remain.

[Nate]

i was tempted to embrace but i'd much rather her keep the sick alive to keep that area less dangerous, i didn't get the hint to charm and i'm glad i didn't

[RVPUK]

yeah tbh I don't mind all the other things I've messed up as part of the 'learning curve' but that particular choice has left a bitter taste. If it weren't for the amount of time invested in my run up to that point I would be restarting. Feels like the devs wanted to troll the player because it seems like the ideal balance of being able to keep her working at both, just with no memory of the blackmail. Nope, instead she's the queen from aliens and on a 'good' run she's practically invincible early game.

[Chi]

Originally posted by Cascade:

Out of the three options present I went for the [Charm] one. Now, I wanted to go for the Spare one. But here I was thinking that'd be too much of a risk, so surely removing Dorothy's memories of ever blackmailing our 'Friend' would be the best solution. It would let her continue working and helping people while no longer being a threat.

I was wrong.

This has to be the absolute worst choice explanation I've seen in a Video Game. It doesn't tell you that you not only wipe her memory of the Blackmailing, but also crack her mind, obliterate her will to continue helping people and she turns into a skal.

I JUST WANTED TO REMOVE HER MEMORIES OF THE BLACKMAIL. My god I ended up starting a new save after I saw her districts health go into Critical. I wasn't sticking with that save because of a Choice that was not my own.

Went with the spare option and now im much happier. But the salt will always remain.

You are absolutely correct. I also used 'Charm' thinking it would erase her memory of the blackmail BUT she'd stay in the district and NOPE IT DESTROYED the whole freaking district all the work I'd been doing was for nothing. I was furious and started a new save since i wasn't very far in but yes I am very angry the game did not make it clear EMBRACE would break her mind just not erase the blackmail.

[IvantheFormidable]

Originally posted by Chi:

You are absolutely correct. I also used 'Charm' thinking it would erase her memory of the blackmail BUT she'd stay in the district and NOPE IT DESTROYED the whole freaking district all the work I'd been doing was for nothing. I was furious and started a new save since i wasn't very far in but yes I am very angry the game did not make it clear EMBRACE would break her mind just not erase the blackmail.

The game doesn't outright tell you this, but if you read some of the documents that you'll find (in the hospital, I believe) you'll discover that the mesmerize ability has the potential to break a mortal's mind, depending on how hard they resist it or how strong willed they are. So the set up for that is there, but not to the extent that many players think. On the one hand, I think that it's a little cheap and underhanded to present what is normally (in other games) the right answer; something that's locked behind obtaining the most information. In most games, if you go out of your way to do something, then that's the objectively better option. On the other hand, I like the idea that Vampyr decides to play with that notion, asking whether or not you should honestly expect using supernatural powers to forcibly erase someone's memory as a "good" option, or one without consequences.

However, the game doesn't do enough to set it up. Like with Cox at the start (with the option to embrace), I think it would have been worthwhile to have a similar set up with the charm ability, with similar outcome if the player goes down that route, with someone's mind breaking.

In short, the game does tell you that the mesmerize ability has the potential to break the subject's mind, but it doesn't do enough to make the player understand that it's not a piece of fluff material. That coupled with how the ability is used in regular gameplay (and future decisions) doesn't do it any favors either.

[Pathblinder]

well this was a blast from the past

[IvantheFormidable]

Originally posted by Cascade:

well this was a blast from the past

I didn't even check the date, otherwise I would have spared you the lengthy reply, my bad.

[IvantheFormidable]

Originally posted by Hans Wurst:

Will it not have any negative impact on ny relationship with Lady Ashbury if I spare Crane? Is that really the best solution?

It's the best solution for the district. And it doesn't affect the relationship, she'll respond that she's disappointed, but that's all that happens, IIRC.

[D-Black Catto]

I am MAD

[Tsulan]

Btw. Is there a way to stabilize the district or do i doom the district if i feed on anyone? Since its already at the border of chaos.

[IvantheFormidable]

Originally posted by Tsulan:

Btw. Is there a way to stabilize the district or do i doom the district if i feed on anyone? Since its already at the border of chaos.

You stabilize the district by healing the citizens and rescuing the displaced NPCs. If it's already on the border of chaos, I wouldn't feed before stabilizing it a bit to avoid the potential of the game registering the destabilizing factors first.

[D-Black Catto]

Originally posted by IvantheFormidable:

Originally posted by Tsulan:

Btw. Is there a way to stabilize the district or do i doom the district if i feed on anyone? Since its already at the border of chaos.

You stabilize the district by healing the citizens and rescuing the displaced NPCs. If it's already on the border of chaos, I wouldn't feed before stabilizing it a bit to avoid the potential of the game registering the destabilizing factors first.

I healed everyone, never fed on anyone, but without dorothy the district is still not stable

[IvantheFormidable]

Originally posted by D-Black Catto:

Originally posted by IvantheFormidable:

You stabilize the district by healing the citizens and rescuing the displaced NPCs. If it's already on the border of chaos, I wouldn't feed before stabilizing it a bit to avoid the potential of the game registering the destabilizing factors first.

I healed everyone, never fed on anyone, but without dorothy the district is still not stable

That's true, the pillars have a large impact on the overall health of the district. Never killed/charmed Dorothy , so I can't speak to how to fix that, but I know I managed to keep the docks stable even after dealing with its pillar.

[Jehane]

Originally posted by Pathblinder:

Out of the three options present I went for the [Charm] one. Now, I wanted to go for the Spare one. But here I was thinking that'd be too much of a risk, so surely removing Dorothy's memories of ever blackmailing our 'Friend' would be the best solution. It would let her continue working and helping people while no longer being a threat.

I was wrong.

This has to be the absolute worst choice explanation I've seen in a Video Game. It doesn't tell you that you not only wipe her memory of the Blackmailing, but also crack her mind, obliterate her will to continue helping people and she turns into a skal.

I JUST WANTED TO REMOVE HER MEMORIES OF THE BLACKMAIL. My god I ended up starting a new save after I saw her districts health go into Critical. I wasn't sticking with that save because of a Choice that was not my own.

Went with the spare option and now im much happier. But the salt will always remain.

There is a collectible document on I think Ekons that hints at the possibility of breaking a person's mind when a vampire tries to charm them. Basically, if a person resists the charming over and over again until it is done, chances are their mind is cracking because of the strain the resisting puts on them.

This is what happens to Dorothy when you try to remove the memories of her blackmailing Lady Ashbury. I went down that road, too, and only realised that it wasn't a good choice when the paper reported her as missing and the district's situation deteriorated.

Other than you, I didn't start over, though, and decided that I wanna see how it all plays out in the end. I'm currently on chapter three, so there's a lot to discover yet.

[D]

Despite being sadly surprised at what happened to her, I think it is well done for the interactive story, making mistakes (especially as a doctor) is kinda part of the feeling that the game wants to transmit as an art form.

It was quite a sight as I went back to that place and started learning more about what happened, and then finally seeing her transformed... Damn, what have I done? (right?).

And I agree with previous post, the game tells in lore, that using vampire abilities affects mortal minds in a bad way, and even without, how could I be so foolish to think it would be so easy to change her mind by 'just' using the Vamp's dark power of bending the mind, the soul of a person? A hard lesson for a newly born vampire indeed, unexpected consequences.

/slowclap :)

Originally posted by IvantheFormidable:

Originally posted by Cascade:

well this was a blast from the past

I didn't even check the date, otherwise I would have spared you the lengthy reply, my bad.

That's is what Post Boards, now Forums are made for.
Otherwise posts would be deleted over a certain amount of time like in a chat program.
It is a more efficient system, instead of posting multiple instances of similar things, one can dig something posted aeons ago and continue to perfect the subject. :D