Vampyr
Zombra Apr 5, 2018 @ 9:30am
Shave the beard.
The main character's hairstyle is still the #1 obstacle to my wanting this game. Every second he's on the screen, I can't hear dialogue, I can't follow the plot, I can't see anything else. Please tell me there will be some option for a different appearance.
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Mints May 8, 2018 @ 2:01pm 
You kids know this hairstyle was very common during the World Wars right?
Zombra May 8, 2018 @ 2:14pm 
Originally posted by TastyMints:
You kids know this hairstyle was very common during the World Wars right?
And yet no one can find a single photograph of a man in the 1910s with both the haircut and a full beard. Seems like it shouldn't be that hard if Dr. Reid's style was so common at the time.
Stoltverd May 8, 2018 @ 7:47pm 
Originally posted by Zombra:
Originally posted by TastyMints:
You kids know this hairstyle was very common during the World Wars right?
And yet no one can find a single photograph of a man in the 1910s with both the haircut and a full beard. Seems like it shouldn't be that hard if Dr. Reid's style was so common at the time.
Or maybe it's a plausible artistic choice.
Get your head out of your ass and worry about important things like gameplay.

This whole thread really baffles me. It's not even about the artistic style but about ONE artistic choice that you won't even look at for the majority of the game. IT'S A THIRD PERSON ACTION RPG!!!!!
YOU SHOULD BE MORE WORRIED ABOUT HIS BUTT!!!!!

This thread is ridiculous.
I can't believe the beard is the one obstacle for you wanting this game. Stop being so entitled and obssesive. And get some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ perspective kid.
Last edited by Stoltverd; May 8, 2018 @ 7:50pm
Zombra May 8, 2018 @ 9:31pm 
Originally posted by Stoltverd:
Or maybe it's a plausible artistic choice.
Some people wear ski masks sometimes. Some people wear cocktail dresses sometimes. Some people wear ice skates sometimes. If they made a video game 100 years from now about a lawyer walking around in 2018 in a ski mask, a cocktail dress, and ice skates, would that also be a "plausible artistic choice"?

Reid looks like a modern day hipster, and that ruins the setting for me, period. I'd love to take this game seriously but the lead actor is a clown. If you want to sit there and tell me that the game's style and atmosphere don't matter, go ahead ... I think even the devs would disagree with you ... but I guess it's OK for you to tell me what I should and shouldn't like in an entertainment product.

You're quite right that it's a 3rd person game and we won't be seeing Reid's face much, unless there are conversations or cutscenes. There's no dialogue in the game, right? Phew, good.

Entitlement? Is that what you call it when I express a simple opinion about something that bothers me? No opinions allowed I guess! Fine, I'm happy to take my dollars elsewhere if that's what the devs really want ... just like you have the freedom to go read other threads if this one makes you so sad. It's regrettable that this thread is so upsetting to you ... but ironic that you're the one ranting about lack of perspective.
Last edited by Zombra; May 8, 2018 @ 9:32pm
Stoltverd May 8, 2018 @ 10:07pm 
Originally posted by Zombra:
Originally posted by Stoltverd:
Or maybe it's a plausible artistic choice.
Some people wear ski masks sometimes. Some people wear cocktail dresses sometimes. Some people wear ice skates sometimes. If they made a video game 100 years from now about a lawyer walking around in 2018 in a ski mask, a cocktail dress, and ice skates, would that also be a "plausible artistic choice"?

Reid looks like a modern day hipster, and that ruins the setting for me, period. I'd love to take this game seriously but the lead actor is a clown. If you want to sit there and tell me that the game's style and atmosphere don't matter, go ahead ... I think even the devs would disagree with you ... but I guess it's OK for you to tell me what I should and shouldn't like in an entertainment product.

You're quite right that it's a 3rd person game and we won't be seeing Reid's face much, unless there are conversations or cutscenes. There's no dialogue in the game, right? Phew, good.

Entitlement? Is that what you call it when I express a simple opinion about something that bothers me? No opinions allowed I guess! Fine, I'm happy to take my dollars elsewhere if that's what the devs really want ... just like you have the freedom to go read other threads if this one makes you so sad. It's regrettable that this thread is so upsetting to you ... but ironic that you're the one ranting about lack of perspective.
And it's regrettable that the hairstyle of the character is so upsetting for you.
Look. Your analogy is weak at best.

1. This isn't a history book or a historical simulation game. The hairstye, clothes etc are artistic representations of the real world. REPRESENTATIONS, and not reproductions. Please show me photos and blueprints showing me how accuarate is the clothing or architecture. Show me the blueprints of london at the year the game is played. Let's compare the street layout. If this sounds ridiculous, it's because it is. As I said, the stuff depicted in the game is an artistic representation of the world, not a reproduction.

2. In your OP you never mention athmosphere, style, setting etc. You ONLY mention the beard and how it's such a huge issue for you that you don't even want the game if it's in it. I don't care if you expanded the idea in the thread. I'm talking about your OP and it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ pathetic.

3. The athmosphere and setting are bigger that just facial hair... The mechanics, the color palette, the VFX, the dialogue, the lightning, the music, the SFX etc Those things are the athmosphere. Did Witcher games change the athmosphere solely for the inclusion of Geralt's beard in the third game? No. That's something ridiculous to even think.

4. Plausible artistic choise? Yes. You see, for something to be plausible in a fictional setting (because this is fiction, not history as I stated abobe. However please tell me if you believe this is history so I can contact the authorities and report a madman on the loose) it needs to be plausible inside it's setting, not the real world. Are beards plausible in the setting? Yes. Is the hairstyle plausible in the setting? yes. Is it plausible for the social class of the character? yes. So... Is it plausible for the character to have both? YES.
In your terrible analogy... The answer would actually be yes ;) AS I said, it depends on the setting. Imagine a James Bond movie that occurs in the Alps. Imagine a chase in the slopes of a mountain after a cocktail party. Suddenly the convination of those things aren't so illogical. Why? Because they just became plausible in the setting. And before you say "I said a Lawyer". Let's just say Bond was incognito, pretending to be a lawyer.

This topic affects me so much because it looks like it was tought with your butt. And i say you're entitles because the thread is implying "Change the beard or I won't buy the game".
If that's not what you meant, then I suggest you edit the post and take a class or two about communication.

Have an awesome night!
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Stoltverd May 8, 2018 @ 10:18pm 
BTW. You seem to be anal about the combination of the beard and the hairstyle. Let me show you there is no such thing as "common" hairstyles.

https://bit. ly/2KNr56m Take a look at the second and third style.
https://bit. ly/2KMlWLH This is interesting. Take a look at the first, third and seventh hairstyles, and at the second pic beard.
https://bit. ly/2wq8JFh Another goody, look at the first, second and sixth hairstyles. SPECIALLY at the sixth. Isn't that modern? No. It victorian.
https://bit. ly/2rzBp9g Gotta love seventh and eight styles!
https://bit. ly/2I4fsG7 How about this? pretty modern looking huh? One could even say it KINDA looks like the protagonists hair huh?


A contender aproaches!
https://bit. ly/2HZP8ky

And the crowd goes crazy!!!!!!

Last edited by Stoltverd; May 8, 2018 @ 10:19pm
Stoltverd May 8, 2018 @ 10:22pm 
DAMN!!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undercut_(hairstyle)
It seems the hairsyle was common for london at the time!!!! :O
AND IN THE GAMES TIME PERIOD!!!!!

IS THE WORLD MAD???????????
Stoltverd May 8, 2018 @ 10:26pm 
Do you really think a game of this magnitude (AA) would make stupid or hurried artistic choices?

They clearly took a look at a lot of sources for inspiration and design choices. This are not noob developers.

Zombra May 8, 2018 @ 11:15pm 
Man, you're really angry about this.

Originally posted by Stoltverd:
There is no such thing as "common" hairstyles.
Um, yes there are. The normal styles that most people wear are by definition "common". That's what that word means.

Just because a lot of people had wacky hairstyles then does not mean that a 2010s hipster combo is appropriate for a period piece about 1918. "But anything goes so the hairstyles can be completely insane and it won't detract from the atmosphere" is a weak as hell argument.

And I still haven't seen a single photo of anyone with the shaved sides and full beard from back then.

Originally posted by Stoltverd:
Do you really think a game of this magnitude (AA) would make stupid or hurried artistic choices? They clearly took a look at a lot of sources for inspiration and design choices. This are not noob developers.
I think they did make a stupid artistic choice, yes. Their vision of 1918 London shows too much influence of not just modern style, but modern hipster style. It's annoying and it doesn't sell the setting or the character in the way that it should.

I'd love to know what their source was for Reid's hairstyle. So far it honestly looks like they didn't have a source and just gave him a style they think looks cool today. That's bad direction for a period piece. That's what this whole thing is about.
Last edited by Zombra; May 8, 2018 @ 11:16pm
Stoltverd May 8, 2018 @ 11:40pm 
Originally posted by Zombra:
Man, you're really angry about this.

Originally posted by Stoltverd:
There is no such thing as "common" hairstyles.
Um, yes there are. The normal styles that most people wear are by definition "common". That's what that word means.

Just because a lot of people had wacky hairstyles then does not mean that a 2010s hipster combo is appropriate for a period piece about 1918. "But anything goes so the hairstyles can be completely insane and it won't detract from the atmosphere" is a weak as hell argument.

And I still haven't seen a single photo of anyone with the shaved sides and full beard from back then.

Originally posted by Stoltverd:
Do you really think a game of this magnitude (AA) would make stupid or hurried artistic choices? They clearly took a look at a lot of sources for inspiration and design choices. This are not noob developers.
I think they did make a stupid artistic choice, yes. Their vision of 1918 London shows too much influence of not just modern style, but modern hipster style. It's annoying and it doesn't sell the setting or the character in the way that it should.

I'd love to know what their source was for Reid's hairstyle. So far it honestly looks like they didn't have a source and just gave him a style they think looks cool today. That's bad direction for a period piece. That's what this whole thing is about.
I already provided the source.
Yes, it was mainly used by gangs and poor people. But it was COMMON at the time AND place. Also, one could argumnt that it gives artistic support to one of the themes of the game: The dichotomy the protagonist feels with his thirst for blood and the conection he feels with the humans, the poor, the sick.

A photo with BOTH things maybe will never surface (but maybe. BOTH things were common, you may like it or not, but I provided proof).
However, it is plausible (as you saw, doctors even recomended beards and the hairstyle was common) that someone, some time during the victorian era, used both a full beard and the hairsyle.

However, I must tell you AGAIN, that even if this werent the case, the game is an artistic REPRESENTATION and not a SIMULATION.

And no, it never was about the style. It never was about the direction. It was about the beard. Read YOUR OWN OP again. And that's what makes me angry.
The pettyness of it all, the stupidity, the ignorance, the entitlement.
Last edited by Stoltverd; May 8, 2018 @ 11:40pm
Vampire Detective May 9, 2018 @ 12:23am 
Originally posted by Zombra:
That first one is pretty nice, very dignified, but he doesn't have the hipster haircut, just normal, short hair.

That second one looks like it was taken in the (19)90s and photoshopped 5 minutes ago ...not sure what the heck your source is there. It is hilarious though so thank you :senpai:
It looks more like it was taken yesterday and photoshopped this morning. Lmao
Zombra May 9, 2018 @ 12:35am 
Originally posted by Stoltverd:
The game is an artistic REPRESENTATION and not a SIMULATION.
"It's OK if the protagonist looks dumb because ART."

Art's value is in the eye of the beholder, friend. And what I behold looks stupid.
puzzlefox May 9, 2018 @ 5:37am 
Oh boy. A preview of the Vampyr community. :fardy:
Stoltverd May 9, 2018 @ 6:38am 
Originally posted by Zombra:
Originally posted by Stoltverd:
The game is an artistic REPRESENTATION and not a SIMULATION.
"It's OK if the protagonist looks dumb because ART."

Art's value is in the eye of the beholder, friend. And what I behold looks stupid.
Ummm
No.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Not art's value.
Normally, the beholder is an ignorant fool like you.
And it's not something I said.
Chekhov, Bertolt Brecht and many others realized that the masses are ignorant and must be educated to appreciate art.
To appreciate art you need a cultural background and education.
To say something is ugly or beautiful you only need to be human.

But I digress.
You've finally being honest!!!! Congratulations!!!!
Finally you're not argumenting the hairstyle and beard is out of context (already proven it's not with various sources).
You tried to "debunk" one source with ad hominem attacks but I guess you realized that even if you were right about that source, there were others including history about the hairstyle.
And then... You were honest.
This was never about the style or athmosphere.
This was never about an objective opinion or constructive criticism.
This was about YOUR PERSONAL OPINION, about the hair and beard style and the pettyness and entitlement of your personality.

From here on, if you keep being honest, you can only keep growing.
Congratulations.
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Date Posted: Apr 5, 2018 @ 9:30am
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