Vampyr combat ?

[Catalion]

I saw the youtube gameplays and I wonder how a vampire can battle so hard with normal humans ? A vampire should kill a man with one move. It's not like the humans wear armor, or they are very big and strong.

[Tahl]

Says who? There is no authority on what vampires/pyrs can and/or cannot do.
Some tellings include vampires as only being immortal through the leeching of life from humans.
Some versions show vampires to be almost human or weaker if they dont feed often.
Some stories have humans fighting vampires with silver, water, light, garlic and other herbs crushed into water and then they soak there weapons/ammo in it.

The gameplay thats already been show does show that most humans in combat with the MC are weak. But they group up on you and with a careful shot, at least in one vid, deal massive damage.

Also, one video did have an armored dude. Really hard to miss. So if your interested Id all but gurentee you havent seen all the youtube Vampyr videos.

[Grubbs008]

Don't forget, in the video's they probably were not maxed out in skills/level.

[Shuriko]

Dont forget that the Main guy USUALLY have this ORIGINAL idea that he wants to MAINTAIN his humanity and NOT TURN into a Vampire and often not kill / feed....you know the thing that flies out the window the second you get control of the charachter.

[Sanguinarian]

yes make him kill men with one move and give him a rocket launcher and buff his powers and make him a giant too..

GENIUS

[Fool]

Do no harm.

[B.M]

Originally posted by Anodyne:

Says who? There is no authority on what vampires/pyrs can and/or cannot do.
Some tellings include vampires as only being immortal through the leeching of life from humans.
Some versions show vampires to be almost human or weaker if they dont feed often.
Some stories have humans fighting vampires with silver, water, light, garlic and other herbs crushed into water and then they soak there weapons/ammo in it.

The gameplay thats already been show does show that most humans in combat with the MC are weak. But they group up on you and with a careful shot, at least in one vid, deal massive damage.

Also, one video did have an armored dude. Really hard to miss. So if your interested Id all but gurentee you havent seen all the youtube Vampyr videos.

Nah in most modern and even older vampire fiction/lore they are insanely superhuman. They should be able to dispatch countless of humans in less than a second. But I can only imagine in this it's because there would be no game if you were tooo strong right away, I can imagine near end game Humans are going to get obliterated the only challenge will be other vampires.

[Tahl]

Originally posted by B.M:

Originally posted by Anodyne:

Says who? There is no authority on what vampires/pyrs can and/or cannot do.
Some tellings include vampires as only being immortal through the leeching of life from humans.
Some versions show vampires to be almost human or weaker if they dont feed often.
Some stories have humans fighting vampires with silver, water, light, garlic and other herbs crushed into water and then they soak there weapons/ammo in it.

The gameplay thats already been show does show that most humans in combat with the MC are weak. But they group up on you and with a careful shot, at least in one vid, deal massive damage.

Also, one video did have an armored dude. Really hard to miss. So if your interested Id all but gurentee you havent seen all the youtube Vampyr videos.

Nah in most modern and even older vampire fiction/lore they are insanely superhuman. They should be able to dispatch countless of humans in less than a second. But I can only imagine in this it's because there would be no game if you were tooo strong right away, I can imagine near end game Humans are going to get obliterated the only challenge will be other vampires.

What?
To start you went from stating something about the past and then drew a conclusion from that.
First, history is an authority on history. Nothing else. History does not dictate the future.
Second, Its not even true across the board.
See: Any vampire stealth game ever.
Games like Bloodlines too.

More than games the Vampire myth isnt game based and often does not give them such abilities.... at least not beyond the already demonstrable superpower combat we have seen in every single bit of gameplay shown for Vampyr.

Vampires have been in more than just Castlevania games.

All of that before we get to one of the best selling series of all time, TES. In which Vampires are barely more powerful than non-vampires. With huge weaknesses.

Or we could look at how even recent movies depict them.
Dracula Untold had Dracula gain the ability to obliterate an army single handed then later with the right application of silver he was nearly killed by a single man.

The humans in this game have already be stated as hunters. Or... 'the guard' whatever they were called. Anyway it was made blatently clear they know about Vampires and hunt them proactively. Meaning that things like silver, garlic, blah blah, whatevers releavant would be in full use.

Preperation is half the battle.

[Shuriko]

Originally posted by Anodyne:

Originally posted by B.M:

Nah in most modern and even older vampire fiction/lore they are insanely superhuman. They should be able to dispatch countless of humans in less than a second. But I can only imagine in this it's because there would be no game if you were tooo strong right away, I can imagine near end game Humans are going to get obliterated the only challenge will be other vampires.

What?
To start you went from stating something about the past and then drew a conclusion from that.
First, history is an authority on history. Nothing else. History does not dictate the future.
Second, Its not even true across the board.
See: Any vampire stealth game ever.
Games like Bloodlines too.

More than games the Vampire myth isnt game based and often does not give them such abilities.... at least not beyond the already demonstrable superpower combat we have seen in every single bit of gameplay shown for Vampyr.

Vampires have been in more than just Castlevania games.

All of that before we get to one of the best selling series of all time, TES. In which Vampires are barely more powerful than non-vampires. With huge weaknesses.

Or we could look at how even recent movies depict them.
Dracula Untold had Dracula gain the ability to obliterate an army single handed then later with the right application of silver he was nearly killed by a single man.

The humans in this game have already be stated as hunters. Or... 'the guard' whatever they were called. Anyway it was made blatently clear they know about Vampires and hunt them proactively. Meaning that things like silver, garlic, blah blah, whatevers releavant would be in full use.

Preperation is half the battle.

Want to add in Legacy of Kain series here, and Blood omen. as great Vampire games.

[B.M]

Originally posted by Anodyne:

Originally posted by B.M:

Nah in most modern and even older vampire fiction/lore they are insanely superhuman. They should be able to dispatch countless of humans in less than a second. But I can only imagine in this it's because there would be no game if you were tooo strong right away, I can imagine near end game Humans are going to get obliterated the only challenge will be other vampires.

What?
To start you went from stating something about the past and then drew a conclusion from that.
First, history is an authority on history. Nothing else. History does not dictate the future.
Second, Its not even true across the board.
See: Any vampire stealth game ever.
Games like Bloodlines too.

More than games the Vampire myth isnt game based and often does not give them such abilities.... at least not beyond the already demonstrable superpower combat we have seen in every single bit of gameplay shown for Vampyr.

Vampires have been in more than just Castlevania games.

All of that before we get to one of the best selling series of all time, TES. In which Vampires are barely more powerful than non-vampires. With huge weaknesses.

Or we could look at how even recent movies depict them.
Dracula Untold had Dracula gain the ability to obliterate an army single handed then later with the right application of silver he was nearly killed by a single man.

The humans in this game have already be stated as hunters. Or... 'the guard' whatever they were called. Anyway it was made blatently clear they know about Vampires and hunt them proactively. Meaning that things like silver, garlic, blah blah, whatevers releavant would be in full use.

Preperation is half the battle.

What? you're describing a really old game where the hardly went into any depth on how they wanted vampires to be portrayed in their games. Look and Skyrim Vampires are infinitely stronger and can obliterate anything. It's the same with masquerade you can't use a game as a rightful source to vampire fiction, erspeciallyt older game when the mechanics and limitations are very big back then.

Like I said 99% of modern and even older vampire fiction has ampires being able to obliterate armys and infinite amounts of people or otherwordly beings. It doesn't matter if there is a character that can kill the vampire or a way to, it's the fact that they can still do it. Being prepared has little to do with anything that just means the vampire is weak. Majority of fiction and recent fiction it's a fact that vampires can obliterate armies and some vampires even have the ability to obliterate entire worlds.

Sure vampires have weaknesses and can be killed by humans, but there when it comes to preparation if a vampire is prepared no prepared human is going to be able to stand up to them especially a vampire that is capable of controlling the world. The vampires you decribe are some of the more weaker ones in fiction, you are mainly listing the live action ones that are also given more limitations in their fiction.

That's only a bare minimum of vampire fiction. not to mention you list games with "gameplay" gameplay you can't use as a viable source of comparing how strong vampires are when it comes to legit fiction. Also don't assume I was talking about any games like castlevania either I am talking about the najority of fiction in general. The point is there are more stronger vampires in fiction than weaker ones. Ones that are stronger than you can even imagine.

So Yes in the end vampires should be able to destroy countless amounts of humans, but i'll say at the beginning it should be more balanced because it is a game afterr all, we should start out as a basic super human vampire and work our way upn to a godly status.

[Tahl]

Originally posted by B.M:

Originally posted by Anodyne:

What?
To start you went from stating something about the past and then drew a conclusion from that.
First, history is an authority on history. Nothing else. History does not dictate the future.
Second, Its not even true across the board.
See: Any vampire stealth game ever.
Games like Bloodlines too.

More than games the Vampire myth isnt game based and often does not give them such abilities.... at least not beyond the already demonstrable superpower combat we have seen in every single bit of gameplay shown for Vampyr.

Vampires have been in more than just Castlevania games.

All of that before we get to one of the best selling series of all time, TES. In which Vampires are barely more powerful than non-vampires. With huge weaknesses.

Or we could look at how even recent movies depict them.
Dracula Untold had Dracula gain the ability to obliterate an army single handed then later with the right application of silver he was nearly killed by a single man.

The humans in this game have already be stated as hunters. Or... 'the guard' whatever they were called. Anyway it was made blatently clear they know about Vampires and hunt them proactively. Meaning that things like silver, garlic, blah blah, whatevers releavant would be in full use.

Preperation is half the battle.

What? you're describing a really old game where the hardly went into any depth on how they wanted vampires to be portrayed in their games. Look and Skyrim Vampires are infinitely stronger and can obliterate anything.---.

I stopped reading.(skimmed to be sure you werent being satirical)
You demonstrate not even the slightest knowledge of Skyrim nor most of what I said outside that.

Then follow up be just restating a well rebuttled point.

Feel free to repeatedly assert false claims and Ill feel free to assert there falsehood.
...and as I have already explained in some detail why they are false, I will do it with a smile on my face.

Sorry but even on a steam forum there are standards to even be considered coherent.

[B.M]

Originally posted by Anodyne:

Originally posted by B.M:

What? you're describing a really old game where the hardly went into any depth on how they wanted vampires to be portrayed in their games. Look and Skyrim Vampires are infinitely stronger and can obliterate anything.---.

I stopped reading.(skimmed to be sure you werent being satirical)
You demonstrate not even the slightest knowledge of Skyrim nor most of what I said outside that.

Then follow up be just restating a well rebuttled point.

Feel free to repeatedly assert false claims and Ill feel free to assert there falsehood.
...and as I have already explained in some detail why they are false, I will do it with a smile on my face.

Sorry but even on a steam forum there are standards to even be considered coherent.

Sorry but you don't explain anything valuable. It also sounds like you haven't played dawnguard. Vampires are infinitely stronger once you reach dawnguard and get the vampire lord transformation. Also you continue to use games as a valuable source of information on assessing the strength of a modern day vampire in fiction. Games in general are not a reliable source as they have limitations and have lots of mechanics left out which the lore and story generally improves on. Skyrim is a prime example on what improvements from a more modern game can become compared to an older game with limitations, but of course not coming without game mechanics and limitations itself. (In this case Vampires in Skyrim Vs. Vampires in Oblivion) You see a huge change to mechanics and and the general vampire strength.

You are clearly ignorant and really don't know too much about vampires and how they work if you think prepped humans should be able to simply take out prepped vampires, hah don't make me laugh I could give you so many examples of vampires in various fictions that outweigh any form of cheesy weak vampire which you only describe somehow refusing to leave out the majority of vampire fiction which vampires mainly dominate over humans.


But since vampires tend to be the villain a lot there is going to be the main protagonist with the plot armor that defeats it, but if you look and study closely those without plot armor generally are going to get dominated, but I suggest you go look more into fictions with vampires that aren't the villain, ones that are usually the main protagonist or are often times an anti-hero and see how things turn out then because clearly you don't have much knowledge on the subject.

I think you should stop talking out of your aaassss and actually provide me with some viable points other than this game and this game or and this live action movie. Oh if humans are prepped they can take out vampires etc etc. IF YOU CAN. Nah you are the one with false claims/Falsehoods here because your knowledge clearly doesn't exceed game mechanics and that of live action movies when it comes to vampire knowledge and accessing the strength.

You even have the nerve to use garlic and old style weaknesses as an example on why it would be easier to defeat a vampire, well i'm not sure if you're stuck in the past, but the majority of modern and even a lot of older vampire fiction sees that as a myth when it comes to vampire weaknesses.

In most modern fiction it's going to take a lobbing off of the head or in some instances a stake, but even that doesn't work sometimes, although if the vampire is intangible with high regeneration even that's not going to work on it.

What I am trying to say is Vampire fiction is vast and if you try to compare just a couple of weak fictions on why vampires generally would be defeated such simplistic ways, you are going to get destroyed.

[TombMonkey]

Modern vampire fiction is Twighlight, so yeah, I want to stay stuck in the past where young vampires are barely stronger than regular humans and being superhuman is reserved to those that manage to survive for centuries (like in Vampire: the Masquerade).

Modern fiction is plagued with Mary-Sues, you can't tell a good story, much less deliver a good game, with all powerful characters.

[B.M]

Originally posted by TombMonkey:

Modern vampire fiction is Twighlight, so yeah, I want to stay stuck in the past where young vampires are barely stronger than regular humans and being superhuman is reserved to those that manage to survive for centuries (like in Vampire: the Masquerade).

Modern fiction is plagued with Mary-Sues, you can't tell a good story, much less deliver a good game, with all powerful characters.

lol no its not, not even close twilight is old now. And No one who cares even a little about vampire fiction considers twilight to even be part of it. there are good modern vampire fictions out there you just haven't came across them yet. and yes you can tell a good story and deliver a good plot with all powwerful characters. This is about vampires and humans which the majority of vampires dominate, but listen as weak as humans are there are very good stories and plot that involve around main vampire protagonists/or anti-heroes that are against other supernatural beings of the night. Theres a difference. and those stories are amazing because when its against other supernatural beings vampires suddenly have a challenge..

[Seb]

If you wanna play Dynasty Warrior, play Dynasty Warrior. This game seems to work differntly.

[Tahl]

Originally posted by B.M:

Originally posted by Anodyne:

I stopped reading.(skimmed to be sure you werent being satirical)
You demonstrate not even the slightest knowledge of Skyrim nor most of what I said outside that.

Then follow up be just restating a well rebuttled point.

Feel free to repeatedly assert false claims and Ill feel free to assert there falsehood.
...and as I have already explained in some detail why they are false, I will do it with a smile on my face.

Sorry but even on a steam forum there are standards to even be considered coherent.

Sorry but you don't explain anything valuable. It also sounds like you haven't played dawnguard. Vampires are infinitely stronger once you reach dawnguard and get the vampire lord transformation. Also you continue to use games as a valuable source of information on assessing the strength of a modern day vampire in fiction. Games in general are not a reliable source as they have limitations and have lots of mechanics left out which the lore and story generally improves on. Skyrim is a prime example on what improvements from a more modern game can become compared to an older game with limitations, but of course not coming without game mechanics and limitations itself. (In this case Vampires in Skyrim Vs. Vampires in Oblivion) You see a huge change to mechanics and and the general vampire strength.

You are clearly ignorant and really don't know too much about vampires and how they work if you think prepped humans should be able to simply take out prepped vampires, hah don't make me laugh I could give you so many examples of vampires in various fictions that outweigh any form of cheesy weak vampire which you only describe somehow refusing to leave out the majority of vampire fiction which vampires mainly dominate over humans.


But since vampires tend to be the villain a lot there is going to be the main protagonist with the plot armor that defeats it, but if you look and study closely those without plot armor generally are going to get dominated, but I suggest you go look more into fictions with vampires that aren't the villain, ones that are usually the main protagonist or are often times an anti-hero and see how things turn out then because clearly you don't have much knowledge on the subject.

I think you should stop talking out of your aaassss and actually provide me with some viable points other than this game and this game or and this live action movie. Oh if humans are prepped they can take out vampires etc etc. IF YOU CAN. Nah you are the one with false claims/Falsehoods here because your knowledge clearly doesn't exceed game mechanics and that of live action movies when it comes to vampire knowledge and accessing the strength.

You even have the nerve to use garlic and old style weaknesses as an example on why it would be easier to defeat a vampire, well i'm not sure if you're stuck in the past, but the majority of modern and even a lot of older vampire fiction sees that as a myth when it comes to vampire weaknesses.

In most modern fiction it's going to take a lobbing off of the head or in some instances a stake, but even that doesn't work sometimes, although if the vampire is intangible with high regeneration even that's not going to work on it.

What I am trying to say is Vampire fiction is vast and if you try to compare just a couple of weak fictions on why vampires generally would be defeated such simplistic ways, you are going to get destroyed.

Lets do the math... ignoring facts you dont like. Ignoring posts you dont like. Inventing fictions to suit silly preconceptions and inspire fallacious argument.

Is blatent ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ the best you can do?

Vampires in skyrim are no stronger than non vampires in skyrim. This is demonstrable. Skyrim isnt a dead game. Go get a copy and quit being so asinine. Take a maxed char and fight a boss. Then take a maxed char with vampirism and fight that boss. Little to no difference.(Unless that boss uses fire magic or you fight during the day in which case your MASSIVELY weaker.)
Same with Oblivion. Dont even get me started on ESO.

Cherry picking and your argument is still a fullblown lie.


Not only do you know nothing about vampires in entertainment, myth and legend but you also can do no better than to ignore clear examples and explinations given to explain this.
You and the term 'ignorant' have a very close relationship indeed.

You cant cry reality away, kiddo. But your free to continue trying.