Where is DR2 CASE ZERO Capcom?

[v00d00m4n]

I hopped that with release of remaster, that marketing stupid decision would be retconed and what supposed to be intro level of game, which turned into consoled exclusive PAID DEMO, would return merged into DR2 remaster, but it seems like DR2 on PC would not be remastered and console DR2 missing case zero.

Hey Capcom, bring me back that missing chapter to DR2 and make it a one solid expirence (talking about solid... recently Konami anounced MGSV Definitive Edition where Ground Zeroes, which obviously repeated Case Zero trick, woul be merged into Phantom pain, so intro chapter and rest of game could played together, same thing needs to be dont with case zero and DR2 !

IF you agree, guys, support this thread, we need Capcom to bring C0 to PC and preferably not as stand alone chunk of game, or separately launched exe, but as whole DR2 remaster, at least as one cheap DLC for DR2 ( i know how greedy capcom is, so at least this way would benefit us both, i just hope it would not be as expensive as Lost memories for RE5).

[Marauder Shields]

But what about Case West?

[Monolith]

There's probably a contract that prevents them from porting Case Zero and Case West to other platforms, just like how their was likely a contract to keep Dead Rising 1 exclusive to 360 for 10 years. Also...

Originally posted by Voodooman:

I hopped that with release of remaster, that marketing stupid decision would be retconed and what supposed to be intro level of game, which turned into consoled exclusive PAID DEMO, would return merged into DR2 remaster, but it seems like DR2 on PC would not be remastered and console DR2 missing case zero.

Every time I see this, the only argument I see is that since CZ came out before DR2, it therefore must have been cut from the original game. Have you ever stopped to think how that would work? Case Zero is it's own self-contained story with a begining and end that only provides some background for DR2. That's not a prologue or intro, that's a prequel.

Let's say it was part of the original game. DR2's game loop is about surviving 72 hours in Fortune City and uncovering the mystery of the zombie outbreak. Does it make sense to start off with a > 1 hour long prologue that doesn't contribute directly to that story? If I were editing a story like that, I would suggest scrapping it because it doesn't flow with everything else. At the very least, management would have scrapped the idea because they didn't think it was worth the time and resources.

And that's likely what would have happened if they didn't release it as a standalone title. Case Zero is exactly the sort of content that would have been released as DLC, the only difference being that it came out before the game came out. Even if it had been in DR2, it would've had nowhere near as much content (likely just a small flashback scene).

I'm not a big fan of Capcom's typical business practices, but I'm not going to accuse them of cutting up DR2 to sell in pieces when there's not enough evidence to support that.

[illnmimetics]

Originally posted by Monolith:

just like how their was likely a contract to keep Dead Rising 1 exclusive to 360 for 10 years.

I really don't know why everyone thinks this was the case. There WAS a PC port and a PS3 port of the DR1 in the works after the release of the 360 version. Both were cancelled because the PS3 had a terrible launch and at the time the market for the PC wasn't big comapared to the 360.

[Milkless Tea]

Even if they remastered every single capcom game, made it 100% perfect & free. People would still have something to moan and want from them. jesus.

[Enward]

case west not being in the game is a travesty, it really is the true ending of the game

[Krainz]

Don't see whats the point of adding Case Zero or even Case West to PC. They gotta change a good amount of code and make tweaks for PC for two standalone "games" that are about 3 hours each.

Dead Rising Collection getting all that stuff for consoles makes more sense since the series has been more popular on those platforms and thats where the series has the biggest user base. Really it would be a waste of money and resources for a team to spend time on those. Only a small handful of people are really interested in that compared to a release of Dead Rising on PC after like 10 years.

Can't see how you can compare MGSV with this either. In the MGSV: DE you just select which one from a menu and it plays them and aren't connected as one big story. Case Zero was an exclusive Xbox thing as a way to promote the release of DR2. MGSV GZ was rushed out the door without some features missing to probably make some money back.

Don't see why calling greedy. Do you the amount of coding to just make get those to work as one whole thing? And you talk about also wanting it cheap. Spend hours upon hours coding, spending time and money to be sold for like $5? C'mon dude. No sane publisher would green light this as an idea that benefits them or really even their player base. They could be using their resources for newer projects.

[v00d00m4n]

Kojima is known Capcom lover, he copied things from monster hunter for Peace Walker and even asked official Capcom aproval for Monster Hunter mode.

He did pretty much same thing with Ground Zeroes, and just copied Capcom's approach to Case Zero (a little tip from captain obvious - he even copied half of name 0 - Zero as it stands as chapter number zero).

Case zero is not self contained, and its not prequel - its pretty much part of DR2 story, intro chapter that leads main character to events of DR2, and without it story of DR2 is incomplete and feels like it missing something in begining, like proper introduction of character and his relationsh with daughter.

Case Zero to DR2 is absolutely same thing as Ground Zeroes to MGSV - both are chapters 0, formallt "optional" but actually they contains stort exposition and without them story of chapter 1 and so feels like your rushed straight into culmination without proper explaination of whats going on.

Since it was released before DR2 it was part of initial DR2 development, pre cut slice that was supposed to be demo, but than some smart greedy marketing devision ass decided it would make them more profit if demo would be paid, and if this part of demo will not be included in main game, to force people pay twice to get complete expirience. Then Konami which was led by Kojima back than, repeated this greedy move to compensate delays and money wasted on development.

Wellcome to real world, thats how things work here, and thats why Capcom is greedy.



And OH ♥♥♥♥, i forgot about Case West, never played it, only heard, yeah, it must be merged to DR2 as well, because game really missing intro and outro and just incomplete.

[V I D A L]

You are asking the wrong company. Microsoft owns the rights for Case Zero and Case West as they funded and publisher these games.

Case Zero were not a paid demo by any stretch of the imagination. It was a 5 dollars short game well worth the asked price.. besides, you could download a FREE DEMO of case zero and case west... so they had their own demos.

[Pig Mugi]

Originally posted by Voodooman:

He did pretty much same thing with Ground Zeroes, and just copied Capcom's approach to Case Zero (a little tip from captain obvious - he even copied half of name 0 - Zero as it stands as chapter number zero).

what

[SHODAN]

Originally posted by V I D A L:

You are asking the wrong company. Microsoft owns the rights for Case Zero and Case West as they funded and publisher these games.

Case Zero were not a paid demo by any stretch of the imagination. It was a 5 dollars short game well worth the asked price.. besides, you could download a FREE DEMO of case zero and case west... so they had their own demos.

This. Man, WBacon and Mikhail are probably sick to death of repeating this. IIRC, back on the DR2 forums, people were asking for DR1 and Case Zero/West. Mikhail, again IIRC, said that while DR1 PC was technically possible, Microsoft had an ironbound contract over Case Zero/West. Microsoft would either have to do a PC release themselves or give permission for it. Not much chance for either of those scenarios happening. You need to pressure Microsoft, not Capcom.

As unlikely as it is, if Microsoft is to ever bow to pressure from the fans on this, it would be now, seeing as there is a sudden resurgence of interest in DR2.

I'd say go for it, but don't hold your breath. But PLEASE stop flooding the DR Steam forums with stuff regarding Case Zero/West release on PC.

Capcom's hands are tied, simple as that.

[Zombie]

Originally posted by SHODAN:

Mikhail, again IIRC, said that while DR1 PC was technically possible, Microsoft had an ironbound contract over Case Zero/West.

If this is actually true, link me. Otherwise I'm filing that under "unfounded fan speculation"

[SHODAN]

Originally posted by Zombie:

Originally posted by SHODAN:

Mikhail, again IIRC, said that while DR1 PC was technically possible, Microsoft had an ironbound contract over Case Zero/West.

If this is actually true, link me. Otherwise I'm filing that under "unfounded fan speculation"

Why so skeptical? And why should I link you? I don't see why I should take time to search for the topic just to please you, when you are being rather rude.

*sigh* Anyway, turns out I misrememvered... sort of. Mikfail did indeed reply to me saying DR1 PC was possible... but I was mistaken about him adding about CZ/W.

BUT! I am very sure he mentioned it elsewhere in the topic. I remember him confirming it somewhere in that topic. I am busy atm, and don't have the time nor inclination to read through all 15 pages to see if I'm correct. If you wish to confirm or disprove, you'll have to do it yourself.

However, Microsoft being in control of Case West/Zero has long been known to be true, AFAIK. Why do people doubt this?

Here's your link: http://steamcommunity.com/app/45740/discussions/0/610575007222519239/

My post is on the first page. Mikhail reply is on the second.

[Mikfail]

I don't recall ever speculating about an ironbound contract (because I know nothing of it & current holders) but it's nice to see that thread again :)

There is a large thread like that in each DR hub I would use to continuously merge the request threads.

For this thread, I can only mimic what I've said in the past. Keep the demand flowing! It could be possible but the interest & numbers may help convincing Capcom (or whoever for the matter).

Always try to show respect for the pub & devs efforts too!

[SHODAN]

Originally posted by Mikfail:

I don't recall ever speculating about an ironbound contract (because I know nothing of it & current holders) but it's nice to see that thread again :)

There is a large thread like that in each DR hub I would use to continuously merge the request threads.

For this thread, I can only mimic what I've said in the past. Keep the demand flowing! It could be possible but the interest & numbers may help convincing Capcom (or whoever for the matter).

Always try to show respect for the pub & devs efforts too!

Ah, thanks for clearing that up. My apologies for my shoddy memory. I never meant to mislead anyone.

Also, Mikfail, I credit you with sparking the fan drive for DR1. Sure, people were asking for it, but once you confirmed it WAS actually possible, demand reached fever pitch. Am I wrong about this?

[SHODAN]

And, for what it's worth, I would LOVE Case Zero on PC! Case West's story was apparently retconned in DR3 (haven't got too far into DR3 but I read on the DR3 board aaages ago, that it was retconned to the point where Case West almost has no canonical plot points. Could be totally wrong, just what I have heard from a poster. Bt, hey, I still support Case West for PC, too, even if just for completions sake)