Is The Game Still Screwed?

[Rosco]

Before I even begin, I want to say that I'm genuinely uninterested in the opinions of Wolcen simps who spent the last year or so full on ignoring and/or diminishing the severe, game-breaking problems that Wolcen had. I bought this game years ago back in it's Alpha stage, & supported and played it right up to the point of it's disappointing release. I am intimately aware of the game's past issues, & therefore have no patience to entertain opinions spawned from the minds of people who fit the description above.

With that out of the way, lets talk Passive Tree & Skills. Last I played, quite a few (to put it lightly) of the build-enabling nodes on the passive tree flat out did not work, & most of the skills in the game scaled so poorly to the point of Wolcen's "build diversity" being summed up along the lines of "Bleeding Edge or Bust". After the nerf to Bleeding Edge, the only effective way to build was to put as many ailment stacking skills on your bar as possible, & then play keyboard accordion with those skills in order to scale your damage through ailment stacks via nodes in the Cabalist tree. Apparently, this was one of the only ways for players to effectively scale their damage multiplicativly (outside of crit, & some other nodes that were coded incorrectly before being fixed). It seems as if Wolcen's team cluttered the game with tons of watered down, additive scaling that prevented much of the game's potential builds from doing any noteworthy damage in end-game.

So here are my top 3 questions

• Do all of the nodes in the skill tree work as intended?

• Is scaling dmg via ailment stacking still the only viable way to efficiently play the end-game?

• Are the Apocalyptic forms still nothing more than a flashy meme that serves no purpose outside of sticking a free resurrect on a party member?


I would like to give the game another chance, but honestly, I see no point in even trying if that entails me having to worry about nodes in the tree not working as intended, and/or playing keyboard accordion to scale damage via ailment stacking. Any honest & genuine feedback which is void of fanboyism is greatly appreciated.

[Fanny Pack]

Hello.

I'm reviewing your post and I see two instances of the term "fanboy". I'm partial to utilizing car analogies so I, personally, would translate the above paragraphs to an individual walking into a (pick your brand) dealership and asking a salesperson "I owned year XX of model YY and it was horrible. How are they now? And I'm not interested in the opinion of someone who currently owns model YY and is enjoying the experience". Are you open to information that may not line up with your current views or will said information be immediately designated as "fanboy" feedback? An initial reading seems to indicate that you have your mind made up on this matter based on the overall tone (as best as can be determined by text of course), regardless of any changes to the specific game mechanics that are noted. Thus I'm confused at what you are attempting to achieve in requesting input. In these sorts of discussions I typically allow the aggrieved party to have the last words, so feel free to 'let loose', as it were.

[Rosco]

Originally posted by Fanny Pack:

Hello. I'm reviewing your post and I see two instances of the term "fanboy"....

I got that far into your comment, realized you were a fanboy, & then quit reading. Congrats on writing that novel for nothing.

[Rosco]

And there's a perfectly logical reason for my total refusal to entertain Wolcen simps: Literally ~99% of the game's playerbase @ launch has walked away from the game in response to it's issues. To say that Wolcen has been nothing short of abysmal since launch, & arguably even worthy of being labeled a scam, is anything but controversial- given the facts surrounding the game's state at launch, & the % of players who have abandoned it.

If you're simping for Wolcen you're simply delusional, & attempting to debate the issue with a Wolcen simp is the equivalent of attempting to debate the topic of evolutionary biology w/ a young earth creationist. Complete waste of time.

Reply if you want to. I won't read nor entertain it.

[Squidcake]

• Do all of the nodes in the skill tree work as intended?
* To my knowledge, most nodes were fixed. Although based on some topics, there are still a few nodes that aren't working a 100%

• Is scaling dmg via ailment stacking still the only viable way to efficiently play the end-game?
* No. However, there are still only a few builds that feel powerful in lategame whereas most builds just tend to break even in terms of power. They never really become face-meltingly powerful.

• Are the Apocalyptic forms still nothing more than a flashy meme that serves no purpose outside of sticking a free resurrect on a party member?
* Yes, unfortunately.

[Hot Malehusband Pizza Baker]

It seems to me that you came here to complain and cannot accept anyone having a differing opinion from yours while trying to convey your opinion as a question to avoid criticism on your perspective.



Bad manners and this thread will not be productive.

[Rosco]

Originally posted by Kiss Me Quick:

It seems to me that you came here to complain and cannot accept anyone having a differing opinion from yours while trying to convey your opinion as a question to avoid criticism on your perspective.



Bad manners and this thread will not be productive.

What I came here for was useful information, much like Squidcake right above you offered. What I didn't come here for was to entertain whining Wolcen simps such as yourself who cry about facts which make the game you simp for look bad.

And Squidcake's comment was very productive.

[Rosco]

Originally posted by Squidcake:

• Do all of the nodes in the skill tree work as intended?
* To my knowledge, most nodes were fixed. Although based on some topics, there are still a few nodes that aren't working a 100%

• Is scaling dmg via ailment stacking still the only viable way to efficiently play the end-game?
* No. However, there are still only a few builds that feel powerful in lategame whereas most builds just tend to break even in terms of power. They never really become face-meltingly powerful.

• Are the Apocalyptic forms still nothing more than a flashy meme that serves no purpose outside of sticking a free resurrect on a party member?
* Yes, unfortunately.

Thanks for the reply.

I found this hybrid mage build yesterday & saw that it wasn't wholly relying on ailment stack scaling, so I decided to reinstall & give the game another honest chance. This build seems to be miles ahead of everything else, for better or worse. Hopefully the Wolcen response isn't to kill the build, but rather bring other skill mechanics/interactions up to par with this one. I'll link the build below just in case anyone is interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy9HVs7BiNE&t=0s&ab_channel=besty

[Hot Malehusband Pizza Baker]

Originally posted by Rosco:

What I came here for was useful information, much like Squidcake right above you offered. What I didn't come here for was to entertain whining Wolcen simps such as yourself who cry about facts which make the game you simp for look bad.

And Squidcake's comment was very productive.

An expected response.

Played this game more than a year ago, I just randomly checked in.
Quite rich to have every review and almost every post on Steam hysterically complaining about games and insulting other players over opinions( "FACTS!!!") on video games and then call others "whiners"

Yeah, Squidcake was productive, you're not.

[[LWT]Karpiu]

Originally posted by Kiss Me Quick:

Originally posted by Rosco:

What I came here for was useful information, much like Squidcake right above you offered. What I didn't come here for was to entertain whining Wolcen simps such as yourself who cry about facts which make the game you simp for look bad.

And Squidcake's comment was very productive.

An expected response.

Played this game more than a year ago, I just randomly checked in.
Quite rich to have every review and almost every post on Steam hysterically complaining about games and insulting other players over opinions( "FACTS!!!") on video games and then call others "whiners" :lunar2019grinningpig:

Yeah, Squidcake was productive, you're not.

He asked for the state of the game, got a helpful answer. What have you done in this topic, and how did you contribute to the topic ? He's right, you literally came to whine and nothing else. Wolcen forum at its finest.

[Rosco]

Originally posted by LWTKarpiu:

Originally posted by Kiss Me Quick:

An expected response.

Played this game more than a year ago, I just randomly checked in.
Quite rich to have every review and almost every post on Steam hysterically complaining about games and insulting other players over opinions( "FACTS!!!") on video games and then call others "whiners" :lunar2019grinningpig:

Yeah, Squidcake was productive, you're not.

He asked for the state of the game, got a helpful answer. What have you done in this topic, and how did you contribute to the topic ? He's right, you literally came to whine and nothing else. Wolcen forum at its finest.

It's honestly strange how simping for Wolcen can completely warp someone's ability to think & reason.

- The dude came here to contribute nothing but his own tears while complaining about productivity in the thread. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

- The dude genuinely doesn't know the difference between a fact & an opinion. It's not my opinion that the game had a laundry list of severe issues at launch, it's a fact (also a fact that the select few issues listed in my OP existed). It's not my opinion that literally ~99% of the game's playerbase abandoned the game in response to those issues, it's a fact.

Wolcen simps should be considered for study by a team of psychiatrists.

[Hot Malehusband Pizza Baker]

Originally posted by LWTKarpiu:

He asked for the state of the game, got a helpful answer. What have you done in this topic, and how did you contribute to the topic ? He's right, you literally came to whine and nothing else. Wolcen forum at its finest.

I don't pretend to be curious and I don't recall portraying my statements as inquiry unlike OP, so it's irrelevant if I'm contributing productively or not.

I was stating how the OP themselves does nothing BUT whine in every review and every post, yet complains that other people are whining. I personally don't care about whining in itself whatsoever

[[LWT]Karpiu]

Originally posted by Kiss Me Quick:

Originally posted by LWTKarpiu:

He asked for the state of the game, got a helpful answer. What have you done in this topic, and how did you contribute to the topic ? He's right, you literally came to whine and nothing else. Wolcen forum at its finest.

I don't pretend to be curious and I don't recall portraying my statements as inquiry unlike OP, so it's irrelevant if I'm contributing productively or not.

I was stating how the OP themselves does nothing BUT whine in every review and every post, yet complains that other people are whining. I personally don't care about whining in itself whatsoever :lunar2019wavingpig:

They wouldn't complain that people are whining if they didn't whine. Is whining exclusive to Wolcen fanboys and their bitterness ? Those who are not fanboys can also whine (about the fanboys' whining).

Like i said, you didn't contribute to the topic, you came here to vent. What for ? The OP already got his question answered. All your spam is irrelevant.

[Hot Malehusband Pizza Baker]

Originally posted by LWTKarpiu:

Like i said, you didn't contribute to the topic, you came here to vent. What for ? The OP already got his question answered. All your spam is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Kiss Me Quick:

I don't pretend to be curious and I don't recall portraying my statements as inquiry unlike OP, so it's irrelevant if I'm contributing productively or not.

You can put the puzzle together yourself, you can take it as a fun forum minigame :P

[Knavery]

Will you guys stop fighting and answer the questions? I'm curious and am now thinking of buying it. I didn't want to touch it with a 10ft pole at launch.

[Peredur]

Originally posted by Knavery:

Will you guys stop fighting and answer the questions? I'm curious and am now thinking of buying it. I didn't want to touch it with a 10ft pole at launch.

The questions have been answered for days.
Check the message that has been marked by op as answer to his question.