Is it worth returning to Wolcen now?

[Sonny Fontaine]

Hello,

I was wondering what's the state of this game today? And is it worth returning to it today? I'm going to be playing mostly solo, with some occasional coop.

I only played this game for about 20h when it first came out - completed main story. Now, I'm not hardcore ARPG player, just casual player who have played some Last Epoch and a bit of Grim Dawn in the past.

I remember that I really liked Wolcen graphic design and spell effects on screen, but I heard that the combat system is somewhat broken/messed up in Wolcen.

What do you experienced players think - is it worth diving in to it? Maybe got any newbie advice?

P.S. If you know any good sources to look for builds - website or youtubers, let me know, I don't like experiencing with builds, I like more copy-pasting builds from trusted sources.

[Wadu HekKkkkK Bubatzcrime ⓁⓄⓁ]

i dont know i try 5 months ago all my items from realeas are better than all droping now becaus they nerfed stats so its usles to play old chars maybe new 1 .

[Randombandit]

The last chapter is abysmal.
I just returned to Wolcen, remembering enjoying it. I forgot they removed duplicated skills (moved it to after you beat act IV)...act IV is just the old endgame grind...but now you have tons of grind, then lose to the boss, then it resets all your endgame progress and you get to do it all over again.
So, I would say, it is pretty good, then becomes incredibly easy to put down and not touch for a year.

EDIT: If it helps visualize it...I JUST beat chapter 4 for the first time. I got the achievement. 1.5% (one point five percent !!!)of players have that achievement.

[Randombandit]

If this game's artists and writers worked with Last Epoch or GrimDawn devs.....OMG, Diablo WHO? LOL

[SynicHEX]

I'm enjoying the hell out of it but i haven't reach the top yet and i'm still working my way up. lvl 79 atm and still working my way up the skulls. I don't think i made it to lvl 79 on D4 before quiting and waiting for an expansion. So far i'm really liking this game play loop. Playing incinerate crit atm which might be too glass cannon but i'm having fun.

[Viking Dawnstar]

Originally posted by Sonny Fontaine:

Hello,

I was wondering what's the state of this game today? And is it worth returning to it today? I'm going to be playing mostly solo, with some occasional coop.

I only played this game for about 20h when it first came out - completed main story. Now, I'm not hardcore ARPG player, just casual player who have played some Last Epoch and a bit of Grim Dawn in the past.

I remember that I really liked Wolcen graphic design and spell effects on screen, but I heard that the combat system is somewhat broken/messed up in Wolcen.

What do you experienced players think - is it worth diving in to it? Maybe got any newbie advice?

P.S. If you know any good sources to look for builds - website or youtubers, let me know, I don't like experiencing with builds, I like more copy-pasting builds from trusted sources.

i like playing this game too, but alone is kinnda boring... if you like, we can play and make it more interesting

[xılǝℲ ★]

Still garbage

[Meomyo]

Is this still the case for the endgame? I bought this a while ago, but only just had the chance to play it, going through the campaign and...Well.. At best the game is OK. It just seems so amateurish.

I can't really be arsed going through the campaign if the end game is pants.

So, is it worth it? Or as I am tending to think a complete waste of money.

Cheers

[Dj El Marriachi]

I also enjoyed the game untill act 4.

If i lose to the final fight in Act 4, wil i lose all progress? I mean projects and levels gained? Or do i continue from where i left off and just have another attempt at ahriman?

that's still not clear to me.

[Protagonist]

Originally posted by Dj El Marriachi:

I also enjoyed the game untill act 4.

If i lose to the final fight in Act 4, wil i lose all progress? I mean projects and levels gained? Or do i continue from where i left off and just have another attempt at ahriman?

that's still not clear to me.

it fine just lose

[panerdar]

Chapter 4 is idiotic. They lower you to level 40, deleted your money, reset the city, remove your gear (that they said would be lowered to level 40 but is not). 99% of chapter 4 is re-grinding what you already have done.

[MAE]

Originally posted by panerdar:

Chapter 4 is idiotic. They lower you to level 40, deleted your money, reset the city, remove your gear (that they said would be lowered to level 40 but is not). 99% of chapter 4 is re-grinding what you already have done.

I am not agree with you about act 4, its not idiotic.
1- They lowered levels to level 40s because they released act 4 in story mode so high level players would play act 4 from act 3 with this way and Devs gave us XP bonuses too so we could level up so fast.
2- They didnt delete your gears. They put all your bloodtrail items to the bloodtrail chest in Wolcen: Endgame. They just removed all items from legacy server which noone playing there anymore and devs stopped to improve legacy server. Alot of people has like billion golds and affinity points with duping method and also most players have trial belt like x20 or x30 so devs didnt want to transfer duped legacy items to endgame.
3- They gave everyone special unique items so with this way you can keep play from act 3 to act4 in story line.
4- they didnt reset the city totally. All characters above level 40 have their level reduced to 40, and all their skill levels have been reduced to lvl40.
5- The drop rate of gems and reagents was low in the bloodtrail, this rate was increased in the endgame version. In fact, while the drop rate of the trial belt is almost 0.005%, this rate has been increased in the endgame version and we can easily drop the most expensive item of the game.

The release of the Wolcen endgame version brought a new balance to the game as most players started playing with each other from same level range. I have about 4000 hours of playtime in wolcen. I totally stand behind devs decision. Fortunately, such a decision was made, so we were able to interact with a more active player base.

[Boomer Plays]

i botched my deathless run on the first chapter 4 playthrough as i fell victim to the sudden spike in difficulty (devs just decided to throw mobs at u in a confined space). but it's a relatively flat learning curve and i managed deathless on my second playthrough and beyond. it is repetitive when u r doing the missions before ahriman hits, and those made no sense in terms of plot, but it doesnt take 10s of hours to beat the chapter so i'm actually ok with that. easier pill to swallow than the POE mess that is mapping/bossing/funky league stuff...

[MAE]

Originally posted by Nicko:

^The "new balance" you're talking about is totally unbalanced. Stand all you want behind the devs, stats show you're one of the few.

Even I who had a blast playing through Chapter 1-3 six times find the final Chapter to be a frustrating, botched, unbalanced mess not worth wasting any time on.

When the game was released with a very new endgame version after bloodtrail, there was a balance in the game. Everyone's level in the game was at the same level as the other players, so there was a balance in the game. But after everyone reaches level 90, there is no balance between them and today's new players in terms of level.

But now yes there is no balance at the moment because, alot of people reached to lvl 90s already so low lvl players cant play with high level players. I said that balance subject for the endgame releasing date only.

If there is any problem about the game or if you have alot of questions about this game, I suggest you to ask these questions on the wolcen official discord server because most of us still use that discord and you can get answers to your questions faster.
We like to help everyone in this discord server.

Discord: https://discord.com/invite/wolcenstudio

[ninakoru]

Having played quite a bit, let me explain my impression on current game's state:

The good:

- The campaign is one of the best ones of any ARPG, fully voiced, and quite interesting, you feel invested into pushing the game to its end.

- Graphics is also one of the game's strong aspects, certainly few other ARPGs has the graphics quality Wolcen has. Performance is okay-ish.

- The worked diligently with game mechanics, all skills and passives are fully functional.

The bad:

- Itemization is quite bland. Some stats don't offer much value and don't have any special interaction, the score system doesn't scale well into endgame, when the gap of your level vs enemy level is very high.

- Animations and game fluidity is not very good. The gameplay feel suffers a bit from it, nonetheless is a fun game to play.

- There are some bugs that keep the game from being in a full stable state, one of the most annoying is when you cannot get some loot from the ground. Sometimes we get crashes or dead ends with missions, but these are quite rare in current state: I would say far, far from deal-breakers.

I would say is one of the best moments to get back into the game.

[MAE]

Originally posted by Nicko:

Originally posted by AegisCaine:

i botched my deathless run on the first chapter 4 playthrough as i fell victim to the sudden spike in difficulty (devs just decided to throw mobs at u in a confined space). but it's a relatively flat learning curve and i managed deathless on my second playthrough and beyond. it is repetitive when u r doing the missions before ahriman hits, and those made no sense in terms of plot, but it doesnt take 10s of hours to beat the chapter so i'm actually ok with that. easier pill to swallow than the POE mess that is mapping/bossing/funky league stuff...

That's exactly what I'm talking about with regards to balancing, the sudden difficulty spike, and not what MAE is describing as I play solo.

However, I disagree that it is about a learning curve, it's plain bad balancing. You won't make me believe that out of the 4 builds I played in Endgame trying to beat only a Lieutenant and always getting my butt handed over to me, that it's all because those 4 builds are bad, and/or badly equipped.

I don't follow guides, I'm not a build wiz, but I've played enough ARPGs in my life to still know what I'm doing, and focus enough on my builds so they're not complete crap.

The sole fact that whenever I go through the game all the way to Oshara almost as if I was over-leveled, slashing through butter, only to hit a brick wall at the Lieutenants as if I was under-leveled shows there's an issue here.

The only time I died to Oshara wasn't because the build sucked, it was because it is a melee dual-wielding DPS, and Oshara's hitbox is tiny at the center, so I was clicking in the air so to speak half the time.

My sorceress and necromancer killed it easy and fast. However, once I got to the Lieutenants, both died, as careful as I tried to be. Three or four wasted deathless runs now.

Plus the bombardment of ridiculous amounts of mobs isn't just a difficulty issue, it's a technical issue in itself considering the engine the game runs on.

It's not well optimised, and never really uses all the CPU resources it should (GPU usage is fine though; 80-100%). My CPU usage on all four cores rarely ever goes above 70%; however the spike in mob spawning on the Wartable missions cuts my framerate in over an half at times.

Going from 80-120 FPS @ 2K DLDSR resolution all the way down to 30-50 FPS when mobs start spawning at a ridiculous rate (making it even more of a pain in the butt to play). Even if the fact my CPU is old doesn't help, there's still an issue there considering the framerate cuts to more than half, and the CPU usage isn't going to 80-100% as it should.

- Let me tell you something about to beat ahriman boss in story mode (act 4) without to be slapped by him all the time. There is a red button in stormfall overview screen which name is "Regent Assembly" If you enter on it, as you can see, you can get some special buffs (as projects) before to fight with ahriman boss. If you complete the buff projects and when you started to fight with ahriman boss. You will kill him easly. If you have worse item sets, it doesnt matter with these buff projects you will pull down ahriman's power. So, you won't have any trouble fighting against the Ahriman boss in story mode. This is helping you on balance.

- I am playing with dual wielding melee build. I made the build by myself and I started to play it from lvl 1 and now its lvl 89 a few min. later I will be on twitch and make a stream about it to reach lvl 90. So I dont have any trouble with dual wielding melee build since lvl 1 to lvl 89. I beat the all oshara missions without dying. I used lvl 35 item sets to beat all oshara missions. I can show it live if you want. If you failed in oshara it seems you made something wrong at your gate of fates or skill modifiers.

- About the necromancer build unfortunatelly devs nerfed the summon builds so summoners are doing less damage after the infinity mode disaster.

- Shortly, I have no intention of contradicting you, I'm just trying to help you, don't misunderstand me. You may have some experience with ARPG games, I don't question that at all. But I think you are doing something wrong in this game, because for example: if you use the items in the wrong damage types, your total damage will be wrong. If you want, you can pm me on the official wolcen discord (wolcenmae), let's join your game and examine your character, if you have any problems, I would like to help you. if you give me the opportunity to improve these bad experiences you mentioned. Because I never had any problems with the issues you mentioned in the game.

Discord: https://discord.com/invite/wolcenstudio