Mathematically its not possible to reach level 90 under 5 years

[Knight]

Hey,

[sorry i posted this in Bug reporting, maybe its more like a general discussion]

I made some experience tryouts and calculations and figured out that the game (in the current state) will never ever allow us to get level 90 or even level 87.
why?
i run 187-189 max modifiers untainted with 4 players and 187 solo speeds (187 is max level).
the result: there is no experience difference for more players or modifiers so it doesnt matter a tiny bit if you run solo 187 or 4 players untainted.
Well that sucks extremely...
...But... the worst: The experience per run is so ridiculously low that its totally impossible to get a high level.

You get in average something like 3x10e7 exp/run.
I needed 2,6x10e9 for level 81 and need now almost the double 4,6x10e9 experience to level up to 82

a run takes me ~5minutes =>
so if you do absolutely nothing else then running expeditions its ~40 runs in 4 hours (with selling and stuff) => 1,2x10e9 / day (if you really invest 4 hours a day theoretically)

so you need 4 days with constantly playing 4 hours max expedition level to get from 81 to 82
8 days to 83
16 days to 84
32 days to 85
64 days to 86
128 days to 87
256 days to 88
512 days to 89
1024 days to 90

summed up thats 2040 days from level 82 to 90, thats ~5,6 years

===> we hardy need some experience % reward for playing high stuff

maybe something like
+50% exp/ player in the game
+20% exp/modifier
+50% for continuing to the next level instead of returning to town
maybe some Zalahir Stormfall Palace temporary exp% to buy
...

Sorry but I will NOT play 5 years 4 hours a day to get max level in a video game :D

If any player should know something to get more experience please let us know.
This is only what I figured out for myself

greets

[credhc]

^ Amen*2

[Ace]

Originally posted by Arne:

You should make your calcuations in hours and not in days (days are a bit missleading for people who missed the assumption, that you play 4 hours / day).

Otherwise:
Is it really bad, that the goal of level 90 is unobtainable for most people?

I feel like it kind of is. I feel like locking skill points or levels behind unreasonable time walls is just as bad as having them locked behind paywalls.

[Keffertjes]

how ironic at launch people where asking(Demanding) for a HARD mode now they want more XP

[Jack]

Originally posted by Pixel Zed EX:

I feel like it kind of is. I feel like locking skill points or levels behind unreasonable time walls is just as bad as having them locked behind paywalls.

Just wonder if you guys would like the level capped at 60, and get points to spend on attributes on "level ups" after that instead.

Personally I much more prefer a hard/unreachable level cap with rewards that feels rewarding.

This is a design choise (A bold one though) not related to P2W, as the shop will not have any form of XP boost as far as I'm aware.

Now this system might be a hard pill to swallow for some Diablo III players, but many PoE, D2 players can relate and love this system.

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If I'm allowed to post a contraversial oppinion, I belive this type of non standard solution is great for gaming. (Regardles if I like the changes/game or not)

Around 15+ years ago we lost a lot of mechanics like this in the name of Avaibility and sales numbers, because how a player feels (everyone should feel like their on top) is more inportant than good game design/vision. I'm overjoyed to see a comeback now and then.

Ever felt like you play the same soup of games year after year, no mather how many games you buy? This is why.

[ELX-Sevazinho☄]

Originally posted by Tekk:

Originally posted by Sevazinho:

getting max level using exploit or bugged build is easy, now try to get as a ranged char or other melee build without being BE bugged builds

BE isn't that OP anymore, and it's easy to play without it. I'm running around at 72 in yellow gear doing 15 mill AOE crits, no BE required :p

try doing a ranger build

[Empress Lina]

Originally posted by Knight:

even in Diablo 2 you could play Baal Runs and become 99 in some weeks

eh no. It takes like 3-6000 games to get from 98-99 or

[Look at my bats dick]

Originally posted by Kayle x Morgana:

Originally posted by Knight:

even in Diablo 2 you could play Baal Runs and become 99 in some weeks

eh no. It takes like 3-6000 games to get from 98-99 or

And cow runs were best exp to 99 in d2. That’s how you know this scrub doesn’t know how to grind. He was doing Baal runs 😂

[Empress Lina]

Originally posted by Ħ | LoPan:

Originally posted by Kayle x Morgana:

eh no. It takes like 3-6000 games to get from 98-99 or

And cow runs were best exp to 99 in d2. That’s how you know this scrub doesn’t know how to grind. He was doing Baal runs 😂

lol what. no they weren't? Even at 2011/12 when everyone botted their lvl all the bots were doing baal runs 24/7. lmfao.

[Look at my bats dick]

Originally posted by Kayle x Morgana:

Originally posted by Ħ | LoPan:

And cow runs were best exp to 99 in d2. That’s how you know this scrub doesn’t know how to grind. He was doing Baal runs 😂

lol what. no they weren't? Even at 2011/12 when everyone botted their lvl all the bots were doing baal runs 24/7. lmfao.

Ida kill camped you outside of town, novice. Lmfao.

[Knight]

Originally posted by Sgt_RiC0:

I think playing as 4-man is better to gain xp ... and plz dont compare running solo (like run takes me ~5minutes) vs 4-man BOSS and all mobs (HP) are not the same

the good thing about facts is that they are true whether you "think" or not

[Knight]

Originally posted by Lyote:

And cow runs were best exp to 99 in d2. That’s how you know this scrub doesn’t know how to grind. He was doing Baal runs 😂

i even had a hardcore char on 99. it was really easy with baal runs. if it was better with cow levels well then i did the wrong but reached the 99 anyway. D2 was only good 20 years ago when there was no higher standard.
today you would not accept a game like this anymore, zero endgame

[Lagwin1980]

And, you don't need to be max level and it is supposed to take a long time to get, the same could be said of PoE BUT there are ways to get to level 100 in under 4 hours now, where as the initial design was for it to be something that took years if at all.

[Sgt_RiC0]

Originally posted by Knight:

Originally posted by Sgt_RiC0:

I think playing as 4-man is better to gain xp ... and plz dont compare running solo (like run takes me ~5minutes) vs 4-man BOSS and all mobs (HP) are not the same

the good thing about facts is that they are true whether you "think" or not

THE FACT YOU ARE NOOB
EXP 133

SOLO BOSS HP
https://imgur.com/a/5rRV8dx

2-Player BOSS HP
https://imgur.com/a/9XgYzX3

TOO LAZY TO PROOF MY %#$@ING POINT AS 4-Player not the same BOSS HP

[Zethell]

First mistake, don't run untainted.
Second, run expeditions where you can just about one-shot everything and boost movement speed. Basically, a speed-build.

Regular expeditions, no modifiers. Just kill, delve, kill, delve, kill & close. Repeat until 90.
Don't pick-up any loot other than stuff you actually need, selling takes time.

If a run takes you more than 1.5 minutes, it's too slow.

It's impossible for you, because you're ♥♥♥♥ at the moment. Get your ♥♥♥♥ together and you can reduce the time drastically.

[JODEGAFUN]

Originally posted by Ħ | LoPan:

Originally posted by Kayle x Morgana:

eh no. It takes like 3-6000 games to get from 98-99 or

And cow runs were best exp to 99 in d2. That’s how you know this scrub doesn’t know how to grind. He was doing Baal runs 😂

Not if you own the expension, the cowns were nothing worth in xp if you do it. And if i am right at least up to patch 1.09 you could only do it once in the expension on each difficulty. Infinite cow runs was only possible in basic d2. Most easiest part were Ac5 first map from behind from first waypoint back to the city (and avoided being shot by catapults).

Of course with console command that makes the game 8players game.

Still needs lots of time. And with patch 1.10 ore the next one it get easier and faster to lv up.