[SPOILER] Furis ending.

[Deadly.Crystal.Lizard]

I am honestly slighty disappointed by it. not because it's bad but because i think they wasted alot of potential impact on the player with this one.

after finishing off the beat i was already not too happy about myself. so when i finally waked out, saw the beautiful landscape but very soon realized that i was destroying it i was pretty devastated. and while walking around the credits started to roll. it was just perfect. the perfect moment to end the game.


but it kept going. just feel like they really kinda ruined the moment. the moment you realized that you actually are quite literally destroying their world by being free.

i think they should have gone for the true ending as an alternate ending you get when playing through the game a second time.

[Krag]

You can still potentially destroy their world once you're free, that's not completely out of the equation and it's a risk The Voice took by helping you help him escape the prison.

[Rorik Savant]

I kinda agree with OP, ending when the credts fade to black would've been a much more striking ending to me, but some people (not me though, I play dark souls) can't stand endings with loose ends. I don't DISlike the ending (The Star) but in my mind anything after the credits is the director's cut, not the "real ending".

[Deadly.Crystal.Lizard]

Originally posted by Krag:

You can still potentially destroy their world once you're free, that's not completely out of the equation and it's a risk The Voice took by helping you help him escape the prison.

that's true and i will aim for that next, but my point was specifically the moment the screen goes dark it should have been the end of your first run in my opinion.

Originally posted by Rorik Savant:

I kinda agree with OP, ending when the credts fade to black would've been a much more striking ending to me, but some people (not me though, I play dark souls) can't stand endings with loose ends. I don't DISlike the ending (The Star) but in my mind anything after the credits is the director's cut, not the "real ending".

my thoughts exactly.

[Washing Machine]

The final boss with Mother Brain and the world being saved with a shooting star blasting off was kinda hollywood-y. Didn't really like it.

I was mostly disappoint the Voice never got any visible comeuppance. Wanted to stab him real bad.

[Deadly.Crystal.Lizard]

Originally posted by Washing Machine:

The final boss with Mother Brain and the world being saved with a shooting star blasting off was kinda hollywood-y. Didn't really like it.

I was mostly disappoint the Voice never got any visible comeuppance. Wanted to stab him real bad.

i can see that. had hoped the voice to be the last boss honestly. but oh well. i didn't dislike the actual ending though, found it alright, but tacked on.

[Krag]

Originally posted by Rorik Savant:

I kinda agree with OP, ending when the credts fade to black would've been a much more striking ending to me, but some people (not me though, I play dark souls) can't stand endings with loose ends. I don't DISlike the ending (The Star) but in my mind anything after the credits is the director's cut, not the "real ending".

All the Voice's dialogues throughout the game refer to that one ending, you can't make sense of half of it without seeing it for yourself.

Originally posted by Washing Machine:

I was mostly disappoint the Voice never got any visible comeuppance. Wanted to stab him real bad.

Assimilating the planet is pretty much that, I mean, he pretty much sacrificed all the jailers and risked his entire world just to leave his prison and reunite with his daughter, his last hope is that the Stranger changed his mind after surviving through the ordeal.

[Washing Machine]

I don't think the Voice planned on that to happen, honestly.
He was mostly suprised when the Stranger hesitated to kill someone, and constantly tried to pump the Stranger up to just murder people without thinking about it too much. Any boss that mighta made the Stranger second guess, the Voice would be all "don't listen to this guy then!".

It was just convenience if the Stranger chose to turn against the mothership. The Voice did not plan on it imo, he was going to let everyone, including himself and his own daughter, die just to see her again.

[Average Bionicle Enjoyer]

Kinda late to the discussion, but I like the story of revenge becoming a story of redemption. I think when you hesitate to kill The Song he comments on the fact that maybe there is hope. I think he knows you have the power to end the world and you'll really end the world once you're free. But you hesitating gives him some hope that maybe you won't, hence the option to save or destroy the world.

[MAK777]

Man, but killing the Beat sucked big time... Was genuinely painful to do.

[omni]

The problem with it ending right after the credits is that the game is not about simply escaping the prison, it's about the choice Rider makes for himself when confronted by the Mothership. Up until this point he's had no hesitation and has just been following what he was told to do. Rider's a robot and the many we see up in space confirm that. However at the very end, when he can make a meaningful choice, he does. That is when Rider is really free.

Edit: I think it's also important to note the player's reaction when the game continues after the credits roll. Like you think, it's a perfect place for the game to end and no doubt that's what many people playing thought as well. Except it didn't and you suddenly have a chance to change what you think would normally be the ending. I think that surge of motivation is an important part to the ending. Not only can you interpret it on the player's behalf, but also on Rider's as him immediately seeking a solution.

Also, now that I think over all this, I can see why the devs opted to keep the Flame separate from the main story in PC/Switch/PS4 releases after he was done being an exclusive for XBOX. He just doesn't fit/gel well with the sort of ending surge the player gets that I described. He's an interruption that ruins part of it, in my opinion.

[nul]

I didn't mind the ending mostly because it was referenced to at a few points in the story. Especially with The Line.

Originally posted by Washing Machine:

I don't think the Voice planned on that to happen, honestly.
He was mostly suprised when the Stranger hesitated to kill someone, and constantly tried to pump the Stranger up to just murder people without thinking about it too much. Any boss that mighta made the Stranger second guess, the Voice would be all "don't listen to this guy then!".

It was just convenience if the Stranger chose to turn against the mothership. The Voice did not plan on it imo, he was going to let everyone, including himself and his own daughter, die just to see her again.

Of course. The Voice had basically gone insane up until he was free. But what he said after The Song, and during the path for The Scale. And even when he talks to you in the free world. I think all that lead up to the possibility of The Rider turning on the mothership. Of course, it's still just a possibility. You're still given a choice. And one thing that would drive The Rider to continue the assimilation would be while he's in space. He takes a good look at that prison one last time. Probably remembering all the torture he's endured. All the hate.

[Vazok]

I have a question: is there a moment when the voice tell you why he has been captured in prison? Or he is a sort of Dedalus who is not allowed to leave his creation (the prison) to avoid a security leak?

[omni]

Originally posted by Vazok:

I have a question: is there a moment when the voice tell you why he has been captured in prison? Or he is a sort of Dedalus who is not allowed to leave his creation (the prison) to avoid a security leak?

He comments that he was forced to stay there against his wishes by the Song.

[Vazok]

Originally posted by Seán:

Originally posted by Vazok:

I have a question: is there a moment when the voice tell you why he has been captured in prison? Or he is a sort of Dedalus who is not allowed to leave his creation (the prison) to avoid a security leak?

He comments that he was forced to stay there against his wishes by the Song.

Is it the only hint we have about his condition inside the prison? That's unfortunate. I thought I was missing something. Thank you!

[Manta]

Originally posted by Vazok:

Originally posted by Seán:

He comments that he was forced to stay there against his wishes by the Song.

Is it the only hint we have about his condition inside the prison? That's unfortunate. I thought I was missing something. Thank you!

He wasn't forced to, he chose to be there, he designed the entire thing. He doesn't defeat a guardian for you after the Song, he is that guardian.

But he designed it too well, so when he wanted to get out to see his daughter again, he couldn't, and eventually resolved to get out the only way he could think of.

The voice is shown to be not entirely sane, and he's also heavily resentful to the song for thinking up the entire idea.