Lithium

[kimmer]

I'm currently on game day 974. I have 5 bases including my home base. I own a total of 35 solar energy and 15 wind power plants. There are 5 mine drillings and all benches and devices have been developed. I also own all the production benches. All other bases also have generators, energy storages, refrigerators, solar energy and mass producers. I just did the math. A new profile requires 2500 lithium to do all this. I was able to find 24 lithium in 4 game days. If I haven't miscalculated, it takes 400 game days of just searching for lithium to reach the same level. I feel sorry for those who are starting a new game. While you can find between 60-80 black crystals in 3 game days, it's ridiculous that lithium is so low. People want to produce something. No one wants to run around with a pickaxe in their hand for days, that stone is yours, that stone is mine, in order to produce something. I can accept that the game should be a little difficult, but this is abnormal.
I think the lithium business needs to be recalibrated.

[Virago]

It's random. At one point i had a good amount of lithium but was being unlucky with obsidian.

[LMS fred]

black crystal is a rare commodity now :(

[Jaunitta 🌸]

You are currently on game day 974 starting a new profile will take as much and more with new game. Is it worth it to build so much again. :)

[kimmer]

Originally posted by Jaunitta 🌸:

You are currently on game day 974 starting a new profile will take as much and more with new game. Is it worth it to build so much again. :)

I noticed the lithium problem while trying to test the innovations in the game. Previously, it was not necessary to spend special time on the materials required for electronic cards. And of course, in these circumstances it would not be wise to start a new game with a new profile. I'm writing here because I want to express my opinion to the producer. Innovations are constantly coming to the game and I want the producer's efforts to be rewarded, but this should not undermine the players' enjoyment of the production.

[Jaunitta 🌸]

Agree Kimmer. Having played over 2 and 1/2 thousand hours the changes to a once fun game of hoarding building and easy is now long gone. It is a grind for new players but for long time players who have it all its still good to just play as is.
I dont care for the changes have no real use for my reasons for just playing.
I have everything.

[kimmer]

Originally posted by LMS fred:

black crystal is a rare commodity now :(

Here's what I noticed for the black crystal:
Once you descend into the hot caverns below, wander around the cave. On initial exploration you find very few black crystals. In the 2nd round you will find more crystals. Then go to the upper caves and collect crystals and coal. Go down to the lower cave again and collect black crystals. To do these, keep plenty of chocolate, water and jam or pickles with you. Water obtained from mine drilling is useful because it can be stacked 40 times in a single cell in the inventory. Carrying water with a canteen takes up a lot of space in the inventory. Do this for 3 days and you will have plenty of coal, crystals, black crystals and pearls.

[Virago]

Originally posted by Jaunitta 🌸:

Having played over 2 and 1/2 thousand hours the changes to a once fun game of hoarding building and easy is now long gone.

I don't agree with your opinion. In fact, it is even more fun, if you like the grind. It's subjective.

[kamyFC]

Totally agree. Lithium is the biggest bottleneck so far. Obsidian and Silicon have proven to be easier.
I spent 4 days in Clearspring Falls region and played the "looking at rocks game".
Day 1 - 19 Lithium
Day 2 - 8 Lithium
After a days break
Day 3 - 2 Lithium
Day 4 - 6 Lithium
The return is extremely poor for the effort. And yes, I scan every rock in the region.
I'm not sure how CG can fix this. Either enable us to passively generate Lithium via the drill or set atleast make one region to 'High'
On the flip side, since I'm playing the "looking at rocks game", I realize that I have way more Iron and Copper than usual.

[Aaron-L (Raw's Nephew)]

Originally posted by Virago:

Originally posted by Jaunitta 🌸:

Having played over 2 and 1/2 thousand hours the changes to a once fun game of hoarding building and easy is now long gone.

I don't agree with your opinion. In fact, it is even more fun, if you like the grind. It's subjective.

Why do you do that Virago. You chop out bits of a full quote, then comment on a tiny portion. This is what she said: (Having played over 2 and 1/2 thousand hours the changes to a once fun game of hoarding building and easy is now long gone. It is a grind for new players but for long time players who have it all its still good to just play as is.
I don't care for the changes have no real use for my reasons for just playing.
I have everything.)

Jaunitta, enjoys playing her style of game and that is her prerogative how she chooses to play. She was saying the things she liked (PAST TENSE) was hoarding and building easy are long gone.

Fact (1): You don't have to be Einstein to know the hoarding she was referring to has gone. Food spoilage was introduced, hoarding as it once was, stopped.

Fact (2): Easy building, it was clear, she was referring to making Solar Panels and Wind Turbines prior to the latest changes. Those two things are much harder and a real grind for new players.

Fact (3): With all of her hours and the rest of us with thousands of hours clocked up, we have plenty of materials and it doesn't effect us. Everything she said was factual.

It may be a public forum but she was directing a response to another player; and you are out of line, bordering rude, basically saying she has no right to have her own opinion on how she enjoyed or enjoys playing the game.

Jaunitta, is just too polite and non combative to respond, so I will respond in her defence. You really need to back off from putting your nose into every persons chat. You and I have locked horns at times in the past over opinions etc.
Virago, you used to be like Jaunitta once, very helpful to new players etc., but over the last 15 months or so, you've become more cynical, combative, over opinionated and nitpicking; and you have also been wrong with some of your information before fact checking it.
Here is just one example, last year someone asked about Bee season, you said with confidence "June July and August" That was wrong, because I found most of mine in May and September" and posted several screenshots to confirm that. There are a bunch of other things where you were wrong and misquoted but this is not a dump on your misquotes. It is just to show you may not be up to speed or right with everything as you think.
Jaunitta, is always there for everyone, trying to help new player's with information, links etc. Just lighten up and think twice before you chime in. Maybe soul-search for the helpful Virago of the past.

[Virago]

Originally posted by Raw3793:

Originally posted by Virago:

I don't agree with your opinion. In fact, it is even more fun, if you like the grind. It's subjective.

Why do you do that Virago. You chop out bits of a full quote, then comment on a tiny portion.

Because that is the only relevant portion to my response. It's pretty easy to discern that the rest is not, or just superfluous.

[terry]

I started a new profile with this update, built my base in a lithium zone by the lake. I have plenty of lithium because no matter which way I go on a daily loot run, I will find some.

[Aaron-L (Raw's Nephew)]

Originally posted by Virago:

Originally posted by Raw3793:

Virago,
At the end of the day, EVERYONE should just accept and respect, that there are people that like to play this game different to their way. And they are allowed to have their own opinions of how they enjoy it and what they call is having fun; without being told otherwise. If they choose to share it with another person in a conversation, it should be free from fear of being attacked.

As I said previously, look for the old Virago who was helpful and complementary towards other players.

The following is when I respected you a hell of a lot more. That was the Virago of the past.
Raw3793 1 Jan, 2022 @ 3:49pm

Jaunitta and Virago
You both appear to be the main standout GURU'S of Subsistence. I may not agree with your responses to player's opinions at times and you may not agree with my opinions but this is not about that, it is to give you both RESPECT and RECOGNITION for your knowledge of the game and WILLINGNESS to help other players all the time.
Sorry if I left any other experts out, but Jaunitta and Virago’s names always seem to stand out like a sore thumb to me. (No insult intended) I personally would like to give you both a big THANK YOU, and show my appreciation for your help.
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Foot note:
If you just gave it a little more thought and left out the disagree, it would have been more respectful. If you had to comment at all, you could have just said, "You personally find the grind, a lot more fun" Some may think you are a little wacky for it, but what the hell.

[Virago]

The quote above has become a mess. In any case, i wasn't being confrontational or disrespectful. I was just stating my opinion and that is that if you feel like the game is enjoyable if you play each update only in an existing profile then the game, in its current state, is not fit for you.
With that being said, the lack of a loot multiplier and/or creative mode is inevitably putting off a good portion of gamers, potential buyers and, especially streamers, because most of the time you're not doing much for the viewer to be engaged.

[Cup of Joe ☕]

Originally posted by kimmer:

I think the lithium business needs to be re-calibrated.

Hi 'kimmer' ,

The problem with 'balancing' this game, is that this game has NO FOUNDATION from whence to balance from ❕

I am not one to discourage fantasy, or the occasional unexplained mystery, but there are literally dozens upon dozens of incongruities within this "survival game" — from super-human strength & carrying capacity (without even a backpack), to killing an 800 pound Moose (yet only harvesting 2 Steaks), to being able to craft what can only be described as inter-dimensional (the BCU), which generates electricity & mass out of thin-air, etc.., etc..

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SUBSISTENCE had the potential to become a 100-million-dollar game — unfortunately this game has NEVER been under Professional or Realistic Development ❕

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The Developer will never know what he lost, because the Developer never really knew what he had ❕

Good Luck & Regards

[kimmer]

Originally posted by Cup of Joe ☕:

Hi 'kimmer' ,

The problem with 'balancing' this game, is that this game has NO FOUNDATION from whence to balance from ❕

I am not one to discourage fantasy, or the occasional unexplained mystery, but there are literally dozens upon dozens of incongruities within this "survival game" — from super-human strength & carrying capacity (without even a backpack), to killing an 800 pound Moose (yet only harvesting 2 Steaks), to being able to craft what can only be described as inter-dimensional (the BCU), which generates electricity & mass out of thin-air, etc.., etc..

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SUBSISTENCE had the potential to become a 100-million-dollar game — unfortunately this game has NEVER been under Professional or Realistic Development ❕

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The Developer will never know what he lost, because the Developer never really knew what he had ❕

Good Luck & Regards

Hi Cup of Joe
I look at this as a game, not a simulation. At least we're not dealing with dragons or boss battles. There are many games in the gaming world that are far from reality and this game is one of them. If you are looking for a game close to reality and simulation, I can recommend TLD.
Realistic games can also be very tiring. If we use the TLD example again. The load you can carry is limited. You get tired very quickly. You need to sleep and rest. If you are planning to survive for a very long time, you will have to travel the same path over and over again to carry supplies from one area to another. The game sometimes tests your patience to the fullest. For most players, this is not bearable either.

Now. With the excuse of answering you, I can tell you something else that came to my mind today while searching for resources.
I assumed I was new to the game and realized Lithium wasn't the only downside.
There is a wolf or a bear next to almost every rock, but with the insufficient weapons and equipment of new players, the terrible shortage of ammunition, and the difficulty of repairing weapons that break down very quickly, I started to think that this game is terribly difficult for new players.
I think the producers should have some empathy with the new actors. Considering that most players can devote 1 or 2 hours a day to the game, they will need to play for a few years to establish a base that meets all their needs.
It's nice that they add new things to the game, but this should not cause players to get bored of the game.
And yes, it was possible for this game to have a bright future. It could have happened if he had a large staff. There is no community of directors, graphic artists, story writers (There is no story in this game), 3D artists etc. This game is a huge success even in its current state. It receives regular and good updates, but some miscalculations regarding resources cause confusion.