Shotgun 20 Gauge Ammunition Not Interchangeable?...

[DiGiaComTech]

If we have two (2) types of 20 Gauge shotgun ammunition then why can't we use said ammunition in both 20 Gauge shotguns? Both shotguns are 20 Gauge and both ammunition types are 20 Gauge. That is, a 1" OD ball will fit through ANY 1" ID hole.

We have different bows and different arrow types ... and all are interchangeable then (IMHO) we should have two different 20 Gauge ammo types that are interchangeable between the two different types of 20 gauge shotguns (with varying kick, damage, and shot patterns accordingly).

Also, as CG prefers adding new things vs. fixing very old numerously reported bugs ... then he should be happy to add a few new different ammo types for the other firearms ... e.g. Hollow Points, Armor Piercing, Incendiary, etc. rounds all become playable.

Note: Shotgun gauge values were corrected from 12 to 20.

[terry]

The slugs are 3" rounds, the regular shells are 2 3/4" rounds. The regular shotgun is chambered for only 2 3/4" rounds.

[DiGiaComTech]

I get that ... you are talking about longer, AKA magnum rounds (3" or 3½").

However, you can get both single and double barrel shotguns chambered for either standard or magnum 12 gauge rounds. And most magnum chambered shotgun can fire standard rounds (check with the manufactureer). And you can also purchase standard or magnum 12 Gauge rounds in shot or slug.

Which brings us back to my main point ...

Why did CG add a separation to the shotguns when he didn't add a separation between he arrow types?

That is in contrast, a grenade arrow should only be usable on a compound bow as it is a heavier arrow that required more bow strength to fire comparable to a standard bow and a standard arrow. Which begs the asking of a further question ... why isn't the same logical segregation applied to arrows & bows?

[Zuleica]

Originally posted by 404 Player !Found:

I get that ... you are talking about magnum rounds.

However, you can get both single and double barrel shotguns chambered for either standard or magnum 12 gauge rounds. And a magnum chambered shotgun can sometimes fire standard rounds. And you can also purchase standard or magnum 12 Gauge rounds in shot or slug.

Which brings us back to my main point ...

Why did CG add a separation to the shotguns when he didn't add a separation between he arrow types?

That is in contrast, a grenade arrow should only be usable on a compound bow as it is a heavier arrow that required more bow strength to fire comparable to a standard bow and a standard arrow. Which begs the asking of a further question ... why isn't the same logical segregation applied to arrows & bows?

The grenade arrow came before the recurve so he didn’t take away capability from the original bow.

The new shells came after the original shotgun so he didn’t rechamber it.Just the order of introduction that resulted in this, no specific design choice.

[DiGiaComTech]

Originally posted by Zuleica:

The grenade arrow came before the recurve so he didn’t take away capability from the original bow.

The new shells came after the original shotgun so he didn’t rechamber it.Just the order of introduction that resulted in this, no specific design choice.

I get that ... order of appearance.

But this does not excuse the flawed logic of his decisions. Combine this with CG changing things up with various re-balances over the game's history it would make sense for CG to correct/re-balance these oversights as well (NHMB).

[Original-Pauper]

Originally posted by 404 Player !Found:

Originally posted by Zuleica:

The grenade arrow came before the recurve so he didn’t take away capability from the original bow.

The new shells came after the original shotgun so he didn’t rechamber it.Just the order of introduction that resulted in this, no specific design choice.

I get that ... order of appearance.

But this does not excuse the flawed logic of his decisions. Combine this with CG changing things up with various re-balances over the game's history it would make sense for CG to correct/re-balance these oversights as well (NHMB).

I agree. If the new gun can take the old shells, the old gun should handle the new shells. A shotgun is a fairly crude instrument. It doesn't know the length of a shell. All it knows is to fire! It's not like a rifle chamber. It's a hollow tube.

[terry]

Originally posted by Original-Pauper:

Originally posted by 404 Player !Found:

I get that ... order of appearance.

But this does not excuse the flawed logic of his decisions. Combine this with CG changing things up with various re-balances over the game's history it would make sense for CG to correct/re-balance these oversights as well (NHMB).

I agree. If the new gun can take the old shells, the old gun should handle the new shells. A shotgun is a fairly crude instrument. It doesn't know the length of a shell. All it knows is to fire! It's not like a rifle chamber. It's a hollow tube.

Go buy a pump or semi-auto shotgun that is chambered only for 2 3/4' shells, load it full with 3" shells and try to shoot them all. Come back and tell me how that worked out for ya.

Edit: I should probably warn people that i was being sarcastic and not really advising people to do this. Instead just read this tidbit:
https://www.gun-tests.com/special_reports/long_guns/Older-Shotgun-Chamber-Maintenance-10155-1.html#.XKuNmphKiM8

[Duck1098]

Just as an additional bit of info...some shotguns are choked and if you try to fire a slug through a fully choked barrel you will have a very interesting and dangerous experience. I am not saying for a second that any of this is in the thoughts of the dev when concocting the different guns, but this issue is not as simple as one shell fits all...and even if they did, they may not all be suitable for all weapons.

[terry]

Originally posted by duck1098:

Just as an additional bit of info...some shotguns are choked and if you try to fire a slug through a fully choked barrel you will have a very interesting and dangerous experience. I am not saying for a second that any of this is in the thoughts of the dev when concocting the different guns, but this issue is not as simple as one shell fits all...and even if they did, they may not all be suitable for all weapons.

Yep, thats why i have a slug barrel for mine. I sometimes go deer hunting in a state that doesnt allow high powered rifles so i have to use a shotgun.

[Original-Pauper]

I actually write an outdoor blog called https://www.handicappedoutdoors.com/ and fully understand all that you guys are mentioning. However, this is not real life. It's a game.

[Duck1098]

Originally posted by Original-Pauper:

I actually write an outdoor blog called https://www.handicappedoutdoors.com/ and fully understand all that you guys are mentioning. However, this is not real life. It's a game.

Totally agree OrPa. I personally don't think there should be a distinction in guns unless this were a combat simulator, which it isn't, any more than it is a survival game. I can't imagine barrel chokes were a consideration in this game so the OP's post holds.

[Zuleica]

I do t even see a need for the new shotgun. Should have just modified the old to handle new shells IMO

[LM71Blackbird]

Hmm... I'm pretty sure that last time I checked, the pump was a 20 gauge shotgun... If you click on it in the inventory it should say so.

If that is the case then DB Shotgun would be a 12 gauge, thus a bigger round.

[terry]

Originally posted by LM71Blackbird:

Hmm... I'm pretty sure that last time I checked, the pump was a 20 gauge shotgun... If you click on it in the inventory it should say so.

If that is the case then DB Shotgun would be a 12 gauge, thus a bigger round.

Nah, they are both 12 gauge

[LM71Blackbird]

Originally posted by terry:

Originally posted by LM71Blackbird:

Hmm... I'm pretty sure that last time I checked, the pump was a 20 gauge shotgun... If you click on it in the inventory it should say so.

If that is the case then DB Shotgun would be a 12 gauge, thus a bigger round.

Nah, they are both 12 gauge

Then how come the regular shotgun ammo tooltip says its 20 gauge?

[terry]

Originally posted by LM71Blackbird:

Originally posted by terry:

Nah, they are both 12 gauge

Then how come the regular shotgun ammo tooltip says its 20 gauge?

Ok, they're both 20 gauge then. If the double barrel is a 12 gauge, we shouldnt be able to use the 20 gauge regular shells in it.