Ammo

[Morgan]

I have been playing the coop for about 2 full days now and i really think the ammo needs to be looked at. It is a constant struggle to gather up enough resources to make ammo to fight the amount of hunters that you have to face. My firends and I who are playing find ourselves having to run away from most animals because we need to save ammo for the hunter battles even then we are struggling to have enough ammo to fight them off. The ammo crates that u find are just utter useless you cannot barely make even 1 9mm bullet in most cases and the crates for ammo are fairly rare. A simple fix to balance the ammo would be just to add more ammo loot in the ammo boxes.
I don't want the game to be easy i like the challenge and some people might be saying get good or store more ammo but when u have to run from animals becuase u dont want to waste ammo i think its a problem. Please give us more ammo.

I think alot of people would agree, some may not. What are your thought?

[Ribalder]

whaaaaaaaaa? nooooo, theres ammo everywhere, wtf r u talkin bout dude??

[Morgan]

There is ammo everywhere just not enough ;)

[caddy]

I agree with SnOtFace in that there is not enough ammo if you are being constantly attacked by AI/rogue hunters.

[00 Critical]

ok... then make more ammo... you can craft it.

[Morgan]

I know you can make more, just saying split the ammo between 3 people u are playing with it does not last long when u have to make shotgun and rifle ammo. Single player the ammo is fine, Coop, the ammo is not fine just saying - also playing on normal mode means more hunters and more animals. All im saying is it would be nice to pick up an ammo crate and be able to craft more than1 pistol ammo, sometimes an ammo crate does not even give u enough items to even make 1 ammo lol

[Morgan]

Okay so i did some testing. 30 mins of farming crates without chopping trees or ores or fighting any animals and hunters, just pure looting for 30mins.

11 Ammo crates
11 Construction crates
7 Medical crates

8x 9mm
4x Shotgun
2x .44
1x Rifle
5x Arrows

13x Ammo Casings
37x Gunpowder

These can also make extra 1 of the following groups

9x 9mm or
2x Shotgun or
2x .44 or
3x Rifle

While i was out looting also my base got raided 1 time. Now if i had to encounter some animals along the way or ran into some hunters i would be pretty much coming back with 0 ammo after 30mins at which this point probably another attack incoming on the base.

[Ribalder]

Originally posted by 00 Critical:

ok... then make more ammo... you can craft it.

..eyup..BUUUTtttttt, then theres no zinc Or copper ore to b found, someone thinks this ♥♥♥♥♥ is funny-
not funny like haha, but funny like that milk smells funny.
an funny how he states ammo is in short supply to make it hard an not be a run n gun game, Then comes out with MP. funny

[00 Critical]

I find them all the time.... please note that each game seems to have that one or two items that spawn less. Not in the code just feels that way ;-)

[Zuleica]

There is PLENTY of ammo, even on hardcore. Just don’t waste it, catch chickens until you can make a bow, save firearm ammo and only use it when you have to defend yourself. Hunting predators for food in the early game is wasteful and risky. Waste and risk are the antithesis of survival. Eventually you’ll have enough ammo that you can be less frugal with it.

I save all rifle ammo for hunter battles.
I use shotgun ammo only for defense against predators.
44 magnum ammo I use for cougar and a backup for hunters.
The 9mm I use for low level wolves and a backup weapon for hunter battles.
I use arrows for rabbits but after early game I usually ignore rabbits.
I NEVER waste ammo on chickens, learn the skill of catching them.

Like fiber, ammo does NOT need to be increased. Just get smart with its usage.

[Zuleica]

Originally posted by Ribalder:

Originally posted by 00 Critical:

ok... then make more ammo... you can craft it.

..eyup..BUUUTtttttt, then theres no zinc Or copper ore to b found, someone thinks this ♥♥♥♥♥ is funny-
not funny like haha, but funny like that milk smells funny.
an funny how he states ammo is in short supply to make it hard an not be a run n gun game, Then comes out with MP. funny

I have accumulated storage crates full of all metals, just play the game and collect it as you see it. If you go out at daybreak with the intent of ‘grinding’ some specific thing you’ll be disappointed.

[Zuleica]

Originally posted by Sn0tFace:

Okay so i did some testing. 30 mins of farming crates without chopping trees or ores or fighting any animals and hunters, just pure looting for 30mins.

11 Ammo crates
11 Construction crates
7 Medical crates

8x 9mm
4x Shotgun
2x .44
1x Rifle
5x Arrows

13x Ammo Casings
37x Gunpowder

These can also make extra 1 of the following groups

9x 9mm or
2x Shotgun or
2x .44 or
3x Rifle

While i was out looting also my base got raided 1 time. Now if i had to encounter some animals along the way or ran into some hunters i would be pretty much coming back with 0 ammo after 30mins at which this point probably another attack incoming on the base.

Until you have a stockpile of ammo you should be avoiding predators, the reward does not justify the expense at your stage of the game. I spend days running around collecting loot and not ever engaging a predator, even on hardcore. Engaging predators when you need to conserve ammo is unnecessary and either means you made a poor choice or were careless.

[Ribalder]

ammos gonna have to be 'adjusted' for MP, at least.
as far as my shortages in SP, theyre gone I started finding plenty afetr I expanded base. Maybe it was something else but thats when I noticed, one day especially-ammo frikkin everywhere-
Now Im good, zinc an to a less extent, copper are even showing up, AND I know where at least 2 special crates spawn now.

[Zuleica]

Originally posted by Ribalder:

ammos gonna have to be 'adjusted' for MP, at least.
as far as my shortages in SP, theyre gone I started finding plenty afetr I expanded base. Maybe it was something else but thats when I noticed, one day especially-ammo frikkin everywhere-
Now Im good, zinc an to a less extent, copper are even showing up, AND I know where at least 2 special crates spawn now.

I see no reason why it would need to be adjusted for MP. There is enough map and crates respawn often enough that if players are spread out they should find as much ammo as in SO, and *definitely* as much as hardcore SP. Add cooperation and sharing and MO should have it easy.

[John Raeder]

If you are fighting off the hunters then you are doing it wrong. You should be relying on passive defenses for your base. It sounds to me like you have plenty of ammo. Maybe divy up the "chores"? One person gets a rifle and a back up 9mm, another gets a .44 and a backup 9mm. The shotgun is left in a crate for when you go hunting. If you need to fight the hunters, build an armored window above where they attack, and use arrows. Better yet, an armored bunker to one side so that you can shoot them in the back as they attack the base. This is not a "shoot 'em up" game, it is a survival game, think "what can I do with the least use of resources?"

[Zuleica]

Maybe we need some keyboard commands; 'give fiber', 'give ammo', 'kill all hunters', 'pacify all predators', 'feed me', 'water me', 'heal me', 'build me a house', 'give ore', 'give refined ore'.

Or we could collapse all of those to; 'play game for me'