Tyre Temperature?

[Amaretto]

So i'm pretty new to the game, but a thing i noticed is that, if you select "Conservative/Back Up" instead of "Neutral" the temps go so low, you have the same tyre wear as if you'd just stay at Neutral. (At least that's what i have noticed)

If anyone knows how this game mechanic exactly works, i'd appreciate your feedback :)

[Erik Springelkamp]

I do not master this aspect, but it is influenced by the air/track temperature, and by the tire compound: ie, worse for harder compounds and colder climate.

The opposite is true for running hot tires even on normal settings: worse for soft compounds and hotter climate.

The drivers complain, but I wonder how bad the effect really is, because the AI seems to ignore this generally.

- Don't you conserve your tires on green settings when they are cold?
- Do you get any advantage from orange/red when they are hot?

[Cadieux101]

There are multiple effects with tyre management.

If tires are overheating ( in the red ) The performance of the tyre is effected and causes it to be slightly slower than if it was in peak conditions, in the red tyres also degrade slightly faster. The result of overheating the tyres for a long period of time is that the tyre will be worn out a lap or two faster than it should.

When the tires are cold ( In green ) The tyre performance again is effected, and will not run as fast as they should. The tyres will grain, and wear out slightly faster, however nothing compared to how fast it wears out when overheating.

With that knowledge, you then take into consideration how hard you then push your tires. The tyre ware from how hard you push still has the same effect no matter how hot or cold your tyres are.

For example, if your tyres are cold, and you push hard (red) on the tyres. The result is, the temperature will go up, your lap times will improve... And the tyre wear is pretty severe.

If you're tyres are too hot, and you conserve the tires or back off (green or blue) The lap times will drop, temperatures will drop, and tyre wear will be much less.

Think of it this way, if tyres are too hot, thats -1 lap. If you conserve that +1 lap. So the result is 0. Until the tyres cool off. Then your tyre wear is normal, so 0. and you are conserving +1. So now the result is +1 lap in tyre wear.

Again, if you're tyres are cold, they may be wearing out slightly faster than if they were at a peak temperature, but if you conserve when they are cold, you are still saving your tyres more, than if you run aggressively a few laps to get the temperatures back to normal.

So quick recap : If your tyres are too hot or cold, and you use aggressive do you see the benefit? NO. The lap times may increase a little, but you do not get the same result as you would if tyres are in optimum temperature.

Hope this helps.

[Erik Springelkamp]

So, may I conclude the following:

When you are in your last few laps, your tires are hot, but you still have much rubber to burn, you should still use the red if you can afford the wear? Or is it actually faster to use green for some laps to get the temperature back from the red?

And if you want to do an extra lap with your tires, and they are cold, you should still put them on green, to gain that extra lap, at the price of extra slowdown (but saving a pit stop)?

[Tig_green]

If you are on red you get extra wear and no benefit from pushing. If your tyres are cold you get extra wear and no benefit from conserve modes. So if you are on red the yellow mod or lower is kinda no brainer. But I'm not entirely sure if cold tyres or yellow mode wears your tyres faster. Many times yellow mode also isn't enough to heat up your tyres proberly (though you might still get rid off the cold tyres penalty even though the needle stay in the cold area, but your driver stops complaining with yellow mode at least).

[Cadieux101]

Originally posted by Erik Springelkamp:

So, may I conclude the following:

When you are in your last few laps, your tires are hot, but you still have much rubber to burn, you should still use the red if you can afford the wear? Or is it actually faster to use green for some laps to get the temperature back from the red?

And if you want to do an extra lap with your tires, and they are cold, you should still put them on green, to gain that extra lap, at the price of extra slowdown (but saving a pit stop)?

From my experience, if you're overheating the tires, using conserve or back up to bring down the tire temperatures also slows down your lap times. So if there is only a few laps remaining, i rather overheat the tires and keep normal lap times, as opposed to slow my time down just to cool off the tires.

And yes when tires are cold but i want to preserve them for 1 extra lap, i keep it on conserve or back up. Because to run high or aggressive just to bring up the temperatures it increases the tyre wear.

[Fritz]

There's something to be said for going down to yellow or green in order to cool the temps just enough so that you can go back to red mode at full effect. Otherwise, like tig said, staying on red when the tyres are blistering is no faster than yellow mode except while on red you're still degrading at red rate and you have 0 chance of cooling the temp down. You're probably better off switching to at least yellow where the pace stays the same as overheated red but now you have less deg and temps can go down. Similar idea for conserve modes.

[Cadieux101]

Originally posted by Fritz:

There's something to be said for going down to yellow or green in order to cool the temps just enough so that you can go back to red mode at full effect. Otherwise, like tig said, staying on red when the tyres are blistering is no faster than yellow mode except while on red you're still degrading at red rate and you have 0 chance of cooling the temp down. You're probably better off switching to at least yellow where the pace stays the same as overheated red but now you have less deg and temps can go down. Similar idea for conserve modes.

That Strategy does work, and i have used it. Starting the race really hard and aggressive then i go on Yellow mode to cool off the tyres and keep a regular race pace.

Where this gets complicated is if the track is very hot. Then Standard yellow is still to hard of a pace to cool off your tires. Sometimes the track is too cool where going on Normal pace isn't enough to keep the heat in the tires.

There are many factors for the tire wear, but like we had mentioned before, if there are only a few laps remaining the tires are already overheating, and it doesn't matter if I'm running yellow or red... I'll just let the tires overheat because i rather run at a normal race pace, as opposed to cool them off and lose some pace.

And same for the opposite, if its cold out. yellow isn't enough to build heat, theres only a few laps left and i want to make sure i keep my tires functional and not dropping below the 20-25% mark. Then ill just let it run on conserve or back up.

I'm not sure if there is 100% definitive stats, but from my experience when tires are cold, the tire wear isn't that bad, and you still get a little more life out of them if you run conservative. I have two drivers with 20 overall smoothness. Having one on conserve the entire time and the other normal ( yellow) while the tires are cold, i still seem to get 5-6% more or almost 1 extra lap out of the conservative driver over the driver running normal. Its very minimal, but still a small amount.

[Tig_green]

Originally posted by Cadieux101:

Originally posted by Fritz:

There's something to be said for going down to yellow or green in order to cool the temps just enough so that you can go back to red mode at full effect. Otherwise, like tig said, staying on red when the tyres are blistering is no faster than yellow mode except while on red you're still degrading at red rate and you have 0 chance of cooling the temp down. You're probably better off switching to at least yellow where the pace stays the same as overheated red but now you have less deg and temps can go down. Similar idea for conserve modes.

That Strategy does work, and i have used it. Starting the race really hard and aggressive then i go on Yellow mode to cool off the tyres and keep a regular race pace.

Where this gets complicated is if the track is very hot. Then Standard yellow is still to hard of a pace to cool off your tires. Sometimes the track is too cool where going on Normal pace isn't enough to keep the heat in the tires.

There are many factors for the tire wear, but like we had mentioned before, if there are only a few laps remaining the tires are already overheating, and it doesn't matter if I'm running yellow or red... I'll just let the tires overheat because i rather run at a normal race pace, as opposed to cool them off and lose some pace.

And same for the opposite, if its cold out. yellow isn't enough to build heat, theres only a few laps left and i want to make sure i keep my tires functional and not dropping below the 20-25% mark. Then ill just let it run on conserve or back up.

I'm not sure if there is 100% definitive stats, but from my experience when tires are cold, the tire wear isn't that bad, and you still get a little more life out of them if you run conservative. I have two drivers with 20 overall smoothness. Having one on conserve the entire time and the other normal ( yellow) while the tires are cold, i still seem to get 5-6% more or almost 1 extra lap out of the conservative driver over the driver running normal. Its very minimal, but still a small amount.

That is weird because I have understood that you should lose all the speed/tyre wear bonuses when you hit too hot/cold. So running yellow should give you same speed as running red/orange when overheating or same tyre wear as running blue/green when too cold. Though I wasn't sure if yellow has the same tyre wear as blue/green when tyres are cold but logically it should have. So in theory you should go at least yellow when overheating/too cold. But sometimes that doesn't move the needle anywhere if the track temperature is too high/low. Not sure if you still get the penalty if the needle stays put after moving yellow or are you out of the penalty zone if the drivers stop complaining? Is tyre wear higher already when you are close to max/min tyre temps or only when temps are at their absolute maximum/minimum?

[Fritz]

I've used this rough example before (using vague numbers to illustrate a point) but this is how I saw it. Also this is assume average air temp as it was correctly pointed out that when the air is hot, green becomes the "balanced" temp neutral mode and when it's too cold orange mode is. It also depends on which compound you're using but again, assume average.

Blistering
Red -1.0s pace 1.2 deg
Yellow -1.0s pace 1.0 deg
Blue 0.0s pace 0.8 deg

Normal
Red -1.5s pace 1.2 deg
Yellow -1.0s pace 1.0 deg
Blue 0.0s pace 0.8 deg

Graining
Red -1.5s pace 1.2 deg
Yellow -1.0s pace 1.0 deg
Blue 0.0s pace 1.0 deg

Granted this was before the 1.4x patch which seems to have altered the mechanics slightly.

[Cadieux101]

Originally posted by Fritz:

Blistering
Red -1.0s pace 1.2 deg
Yellow -1.0s pace 1.0 deg
Blue 0.0s pace 0.8 deg

Normal
Red -1.5s pace 1.2 deg
Yellow -1.0s pace 1.0 deg
Blue 0.0s pace 0.8 deg

Graining
Red -1.5s pace 1.2 deg
Yellow -1.0s pace 1.0 deg
Blue 0.0s pace 1.0 deg

Granted this was before the 1.4x patch which seems to have altered the mechanics slightly.

This is how I feel the tire performance works as well. This game has so many variables that it seems impossible to make a concrete decision and find a definitive answer. Even just looking at lap times can be non-conclusive just because of a drivers consistency, their fitness, their smoothness, and other cars and elements around them.

The important thing to note is that peak performance for the tire only happens so long as the tire isn't too cold or too hot. The deg level of tires are also effected when too hot or too cold. Although from experience, deg is always at its worse when blistering hot.

Throw in the fact some races are longer, some races are shorter, some races are HOT some races are Cold. There really isn't a perfect overall strategy. It changes based on the race and tires you use.

Then a safety car comes out and next thing you know you're entire tire management strategy is thrown off. But thats racing, and i love it.

[Amaretto]

Thanks everyone who replied, interesting stuff to read indeed, big thumbs up :)

[f1sk]

I'm going to try and resurrect this post,
7 years later!! ...does the speed affect temp? Sometimes I see little or no reduction and I'm running fast because I have extra fuel.

[twingussy (car of all time)]

Originally posted by f1sk:

I'm going to try and resurrect this post, 7 years later!
Does the speed affect temp? Sometimes I see little or no reduction and I'm running fast because I have extra fuel.

steam rules say to not necro posts (aka resurrect which is what you did), but fortunately, mm steam forums are mostly dead anyways for them to care enough.

anyways, answer to your question: if by speed you mean the "driving style" then yeah, but it also depends on the track itself with its temps and tyre wear and allat.
if you mean by the car itself, then that would be under the chassis and how much stars you have, by how much... there was info but i can't seem to find it. it's probably a few laps (maybe 1~2 from 0* to 5* but take it with a grain of salt) if anything.