Create a team failed season objective

[ANFI3LDARMY]

Hi my question is will i get sacked if i fail the season objective. Im getting emails saying i will be sacked if i dont finish 8th in championship but my career says secure

[★MrDragon★]

yes you will

[Tyso3]

No, there is no gaurantee you will be sacked. If your only getting the threats your usually fine. When you get an ultimatum, then you MUST pass it in order to avoid being sacked.

You can get seasons failing to hit your objectives, as long as your faily close (e.g aim for 8th, get 9th). But if you aim for 1st and get 10th, expect your severage package :P

[RodHull]

It depends. Basically if your consistently under your target (season and race day) your chairman will take moral hits, once he drops below 50% your job goes into varying states on insecure/under threat. When it tanks completely he'll give you an ultimatum for the next race (for example finish 3rd) and if you dont then he'll sack you.

So no just not hitting your target wont get you sacked but it will lead to an unhappy chairman and possible ultimatum which can get you sacked. So indirectly yes possibly.

The trick here is to remember your season objective is more long term, what affects his happiness far more is race results. If your season target is say 4th and your in 5th it wont actually matter so long as you consistently finish races in 4th over all (both drivers score added together compared to other teams on the day if that makes sense)

My 3rd season our target was 4th we sat in 5th for most of the season but cause we got the odd podium and consistently hit 4th for both drivers his moral never went below 80%

One thing to beware of, if your flirting with the sack dont say anything in interviews which can **** him off further at any cost avoid those answers even if it means ****ing off your staff or drivers instead

[B✪✪tsy]

The game is quite brutal. You can win like 7 seasons in a row, but if you don't reach the target in the 8th season you are as good as gone. Especially sour when it is your own custom team you get fired from. I had the ultimatum once to not get fired, but it was impossible complete the ultimatum. Eventually the game pushes you to get fired as the target goal of each season is higher, you can't decide to end up low in the season if you had a few succesful seasons before that. You have to aim higher and higher each season.

[RodHull]

Originally posted by B00tsy:

The game is quite brutal. You can win like 7 seasons in a row, but if you don't reach the target in the 8th season you are as good as gone. Especially sour when it is your own custom team you get fired from. I had the ultimatum once to not get fired, but it was impossible complete the ultimatum. Eventually the game pushes you to get fired as the target goal of each season is higher, you can't decide to end up low in the season if you had a few succesful seasons before that. You have to aim higher and higher each season.

Well you always get 3 options, so even if 1st is the main one likely 3rd is also there, its about risk vs reward I guess. Though I will agree atm its a bit either or, you should have some good will stored up for many successful seasons which give you a bit of leeway but then real life is just as brutal, just ask Claudio Ranieri :)

[B✪✪tsy]

There needs to be a multi season loyalty/happiness mechanic that you can build up in 3/4 seasons to a 100% if you perform better in the season than expected. If you do that 3 times in a row you will have the option to plead to the chairman to not get fired if you do a bad in a next season, but in exchance you will have to perform better as season goal again in the next season or you will get sacked for sure.

[Tig_green]

Originally posted by B00tsy:

There needs to be a multi season loyalty/happiness mechanic that you can build up in 3/4 seasons to a 100% if you perform better in the season than expected. If you do that 3 times in a row you will have the option to plead to the chairman to not get fired if you do a bad in a next season, but in exchance you will have to perform better as season goal again in the next season or you will get sacked for sure.

I agree.

Could be called a "free pass" or something which you could use once you need it. Should be hard to get, double or triple champion should be enough.

[Xautos]

Why would a chairman want to keep a manager who can't follow their directions for and further have another season where they can't perform. i mean when someone is out of their element, the only thing to do is give it over to someone who can. Paul Stoddart ran the minardi team for several years before he had to sell it to red bull, he did a mega job just keeping the italian team from liquidating, he needed to sell the team to a group that can look after its people and it's history.

but a perfect example of a manager who couldn't get the job done is like what Tom Walkinshaw did with Arrows in 2001-2002, he ran the team into the ground because he operated it like a business and not a race team. he was out of his element in those final years, the team ran out of money half way through the 2002 season, arrows had little choice but to pack up.

i wouldn't be inclined to give a manager a second chance to screw up so much that everyone has to pay the price for it. motorsport is a fickle business, you either got what it takes or your don't.

[$ini$ter-NL]

There was someone else that also was really out of their element almost all the time: Donny.

[B✪✪tsy]

Originally posted by Xautos:

Why would a chairman want to keep a manager who can't follow their directions for and further have another season where they can't perform. i mean when someone is out of their element, the only thing to do is give it over to someone who can. Paul Stoddart ran the minardi team for several years before he had to sell it to red bull, he did a mega job just keeping the italian team from liquidating, he needed to sell the team to a group that can look after its people and it's history.

but a perfect example of a manager who couldn't get the job done is like what Tom Walkinshaw did with Arrows in 2001-2002, he ran the team into the ground because he operated it like a business and not a race team. he was out of his element in those final years, the team ran out of money half way through the 2002 season, arrows had little choice but to pack up.

i wouldn't be inclined to give a manager a second chance to screw up so much that everyone has to pay the price for it. motorsport is a fickle business, you either got what it takes or your don't.

So if you had like 7 succesful seasons in a row and you just missed the target in the 8th season (due to DNFs etc) then you find it realistic that you get fired? Sorry, but even in real life this does not happen. In real life there would be some extra loyalty and knowledge that that manager would do better again next season. Do you think Christian Horner will get fired ,because Verstappens car constantly has a DNF in this season? Don't think so...

[Xautos]

7 previous seasons are 7 previous seasons, but the expectation you put on yourself because of all that success means the chairman will expect nothing less than best from what you accomplished in the years previous. the chairman won't care about how successful you were in those previous years, all that counts the chairman is that you were really good at what you did and if you can't live up to that expectation, then clearly you are not up to the standard the chairman was hoping for. why would the chairman keep you on? you can plead until earth explodes, but that won't mean anything to the chairman if you can't get your skates on and up your game.

btw car retirements happen, same with engine failures, but those are not specific to the team manager, however it accumulates none the less over a season. it will still count against the team manager tofind a solution even so.

[B✪✪tsy]

You are dead wrong, but okay. Gotta have opinions right.

[Xautos]

Originally posted by B00tsy:

You are dead wrong, but okay. Gotta have opinions right.

i would like some examples of what you mean than just stating this, i'm a little confused.

[RodHull]

Originally posted by Xautos:

Originally posted by B00tsy:

You are dead wrong, but okay. Gotta have opinions right.

i would like some examples of what you mean than just stating this, i'm a little confused.

I think his point is that long term succesful managers of clubs/teams in sport generally are not instantly dismissed if they miss some arbitrary 'target' (which itself isnt very realistic) by a place or two.

Now sure sport is littered with examples of sacked bosses/managers who didnt perform but they are usually short term placements not the person who founded said team and dragged them up from the lowest division. I get that in the main game your controlling existing teams and its somewhat acceptable this harshness applies when managing those, but your own created team sacking its founder cause he only got 3rd when 2nd was required is a bit dumb (and not much fun)

[Xautos]

i should use an example of a football team boss who dragged a team with no hope to the champions league trophy playing so far above what they are used to, Raineri was the man who did it, a season later he was just sacked because the board didn't want him any more, say what you like but yes there are examples of being littered, in formula one graeme lowdon and John Booth at Manor are more recent examples of a chairman who didn't want the founders sticking around.