Crashed into every single race?

[chriskessel]

Either I have the worst luck ever, or is this a feature? I've literally had one or both drivers hit every single race this season. I've also had both drivers burgled the last two seasons in a row.

What are the actual collision chances? It's absolutely destroyed my ability to do anything this season because I have an extra and extra long pit every single race to repair some damage caused by a collision.

Have I fallen into some weird bug? It makes the game zero fun when you have zero chance due to collisions every race.

[Inardesco]

Simply restart the game, that'll usually "fix" the annoying "crash in every race"-streak.

[chriskessel]

Are you being serious or facetious? Is this actually a known bug, some flag on a car/driver or the RNG that gets stuck?

[Inardesco]

I've had such back luck streaks in the past aswell. Usually after I had qut the game and then came back into it it was gone.

[Spaznetz]

I've had the same AI driver crash into me twice in a single race, destroying my rear wing in both cases and getting MY DRIVER a drive-through penalty on the second one. Took an almost certain win and turned it into a 2-laps-down finish. It sucks, but it happens. (At least the other guy finished even further back than I did.)

My suggestion: Save often and make notes on the saves. Then you can go back to a previous save if you get a string of bad stuff happening that you just don't want to deal with.

But don't be afraid to try and play through a string of bad luck either. My first win with Predator came when BOTH my drivers had 'Gone Rogue' at the same time.

[MiKye200]

The crashes seem to be hard-coded into the game to occur under certain circumstances; in my games the crashes will occur over and over again, even if I do restart the game.

I wish the programmers had steered clear of this choice and just left the crashes purely random.

[Fritz]

I don't believe that's how crashes work, at least not anymore. Based on other testimonies and what the devs have said on the matter, it seems more likely that the game tracks risk factors and rolls skill checks. If you're strategy involves many of these risk factors, you're basically increasing your odds of failing the roll. Regardless of how many times you reload a save, if you're putting yourself in the middle of a storm with a lightening rod you're likely to get hit by the same bolt of lightening. Sometimes the perfect storm conditions naturally emerge through no fault of the player, but that's just life and rng.

[Person012345]

Originally posted by MiKye200:

The crashes seem to be hard-coded into the game to occur under certain circumstances; in my games the crashes will occur over and over again, even if I do restart the game.

I wish the programmers had steered clear of this choice and just left the crashes purely random.

No they aren't, this has been stated by the devs and is a clear observation by me. But if you do the same thing over and over again you'll likely get the same results.

[MiKye200]

Originally posted by Person012345:

Originally posted by MiKye200:

The crashes seem to be hard-coded into the game to occur under certain circumstances; in my games the crashes will occur over and over again, even if I do restart the game.

I wish the programmers had steered clear of this choice and just left the crashes purely random.

No they aren't, this has been stated by the devs and is a clear observation by me. But if you do the same thing over and over again you'll likely get the same results.

What "same thing"?
What is this "same thing" I am doing that causes repeated crashes?
Is there any information in-game hinting that certain driving styles might be dangerous at certain tracks?

The latest "crash spam" track for me was Vanouver, in perfect weather.
Was it a mistake for me to drive in Overtake mode or Super Overtake mode at the start of the race?
Both drivers crashed repeatedly for me in the race, one in Overtake mode, the other in Super Overtake mode.

[Fritz]

Well it's not like the devs have come out and given us a list of risk factors and the exact percentage each one increases the likelihood of a crash. But, if I had to guess, I'd say driving on super overtake, overtake, and high mode all influence the "success" of a crash roll, with the most risk applied to SO and the least to H (M and L could be practically no additional risk). Further risk factors could be rain, driving in a pack, going 3 wide into a corner, wrong tyres, low tyre deg, low driver focus stat, crash happy trait, etc and they would all be associated with some value of risk (some larger than others).

My personal opinion is that super overtake, overtake mode, driving 3ish wide in a corner add the most risk. Of course, even if the risk is small you could just be a badluckbrian.

[MiKye200]

Originally posted by Fritz:

Well it's not like the devs have come out and given us a list of risk factors and the exact percentage each one increases the likelihood of a crash. But, if I had to guess, I'd say driving on super overtake, overtake, and high mode all influence the "success" of a crash roll, with the most risk applied to SO and the least to H (M and L could be practically no additional risk). Further risk factors could be rain, driving in a pack, going 3 wide into a corner, wrong tyres, low tyre deg, low driver focus stat, crash happy trait, etc and they would all be associated with some value of risk (some larger than others).

My personal opinion is that super overtake, overtake mode, driving 3ish wide in a corner add the most risk. Of course, even if the risk is small you could just be a badluckbrian.

Well, out of curiosity, I reloaded a save game every time my drivers crashed at the Vancouver track and five reloads later I just gave up when my second driver crashed yet again and went with the result.
I stiill believe the developers have coded in crashes as an "equalizer" event when a team is doing too well.

[Inardesco]

Uhm, no, I had reloaded aswell when there were plenty of crashes happening for my team but now I simply tell them to push instead of being aggresive/overtake and there is a clear difference when I tell them to do that.

Yes, you might have a worse start but rather have a worse start than not finish at all, even if I can't finish in the points.

[Person012345]

Originally posted by MiKye200:

Originally posted by Person012345:

No they aren't, this has been stated by the devs and is a clear observation by me. But if you do the same thing over and over again you'll likely get the same results.

What "same thing"?
What is this "same thing" I am doing that causes repeated crashes?
Is there any information in-game hinting that certain driving styles might be dangerous at certain tracks?

The latest "crash spam" track for me was Vanouver, in perfect weather.
Was it a mistake for me to drive in Overtake mode or Super Overtake mode at the start of the race?
Both drivers crashed repeatedly for me in the race, one in Overtake mode, the other in Super Overtake mode.

There are many factors. If you're pushing like crazy and you crash, then when you eload, if you push like crazy again you'll probably crash again. Back off a bit. It's not like there's any one exact "you will crash here", it's supposed to be somewhat random, but it is influenced by your driver and your car. From my observations obviously weather is a risk factor, as is driving on harder compound tyres, driving on the wrong kind of tires, the course and certain bends on the course, your driver skill, I think maybe your car performance. But even if all these things are perfect, you might still crash. It'll be much less likely but it might still happen. And if you do the same thing over and over agin after reloading, you will get the same result. It doesn't mean the crashes are predetermined, they're not. Both times that I have reloaded due to crash (I don't do it very often at all) I hve avoided the crash by backing off a little.

[Fritz]

Gah. I'm so used to talking about engine modes I forgot about driving style/tyre mode. Basically what I meant earlier was this:

To use a d20 rolling game example, crashing would ususally require a critical fail on a 1 for perfect driver. However, the more risky actions that you add on, the higher the number gets. During most of the race you might be at 5 but there comes that point where you're using super overtake engine mode (+3), attack tyre mode (+2), low focus driver (+2), adjacent to 2 other cars (+1, +1), etc/other factors (+4) and all of a sudden anything <15 (70%) results in a crash. Next reload you may have changed a couple things around but the circumstances converge such that on X lap that same corner, you still need to beat a 10, which is still a 50% chance of crashing. RNG never favors a Badluckbrian.

That's how I imagine it works. I'm probably mostly wrong, but there may also be a bit of truth hidden in there.

[MiKye200]

Originally posted by Inardesco:

Uhm, no, I had reloaded aswell when there were plenty of crashes happening for my team but now I simply tell them to push instead of being aggresive/overtake and there is a clear difference when I tell them to do that.

Yes, you might have a worse start but rather have a worse start than not finish at all, even if I can't finish in the points.

But, just about every other car was in overtake mode and aggressive in the first lap, so why were my cars the only ones crashing? My drivers are the top rated in series.:1st and 5th.

My drivers won't crash for several races in a row when they go flat out for the first few laps, then comes a race they will crash over and over again when I reload. It's very odd.

[Waggy]

I had a driver crash three races in a row.

This never happened before.

I fired him. Focus was one of his weak points.