Volume too low with Headphones (Kingston Hyper X Cloud)

[Slayer Seraph]

Tried using my Hyper X Cloud (1) Gaming Headphones with this game. It has that slider you can raise the volume. I put it all the way up. Also made sure the Headphones are set all the way up in Windows/Realtek settings to 100%. Everything still sound very faint, especially the voices - game (voices, environmental sounds, sounds effects etc) sounds much weaker and has lower volume than what you hear in the Sound related Developer Dairies and Youtube trailers..

[Slayer Seraph]

I think it's a general thing with headphones. But also happens with PC speakers in a few games like The Witcher 3.
Loudness Equalization seems to have the strongest effect on dealing with low volume. But if possible I prefer to use Realtek Sound Manager to increase DB (Speaker strength) and tweak distance to boost the volume levels.
Loudness Equalization can mess up with the sounds sometimes.

With headphones,the 2 things that helped the most were:
Applying Loudness Equalization
Applying Headphone Virtualization
These 2 made the sound more powerful and have some bass and depth. The only problem is that some sounds outside the game line that music when you start HB can be really loud and deafening -unlike the actual sounds of the game. There's no way to control it.


Oh- wanted to ask you:
Do you guys know if I should use
"Bass Management" with PC Speakers / HeadPhones ?

Allso, what should I set in "Properties > Advanced > Default Format > ?
I am usually setting it to the max setting of 192,000 Hz and never had any issue with that. But I am not sure what this setting does... Anyone knows?

[Zageron]

That's the sample rate. You should leave it at 41 or 48 unless you are playing audio of that source rate.

[Slayer Seraph]

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That's the sample rate. You should leave it at 41 or 48 unless you are playing audio of that source rate.

How would I be able to tell? Not sure what it means.
I also have an advanced 5.1 sounds system with a high quality Onkyo AV-Receiver and speakers - I wonder what to set them to. Windows defaults it to 48K regardless of what sound gear is connected.

Also what the hell is Immediate Mode and why is it on by default? lol.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

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That's the sample rate. You should leave it at 41 or 48 unless you are playing audio of that source rate.

How would I be able to tell? Not sure what it means.
I also have an advanced 5.1 sounds system with a high quality Onkyo AV-Receiver and speakers - I wonder what to set them to. Windows defaults it to 48K regardless of what sound gear is connected.

Also what the hell is Immediate Mode and why is it on by default? lol.

Yes, 24bit/48khz is the default. Leave it alone. Most Games require this.
If you actually have a game error regarding audio, then it might be a badly ported game that needs 16bit/44khz; yes some picky games are like that.

Above 48Khz does you no good unless you're on Digital, such as Optical TOSLINK

Think of these modes as how you do video playback; if you playback a 480p video in full screen while running at 1080p, what happens? You still get 480p video. The only issue would be if you dropped the actual display resolution below the resolution of whats being played.

If you set Windows Audio Playback to say 24bit/96Khz; this doesn't actually do anything, unless the connection is digital; you'd only have a "negative" if the audio file was above 24bit/96Khz, which is highly unlikely. Unless maybe it's a 1080p-HD or 4K-UHD Bluray using DTS Encoded playback.

So 24bit/48Khz is fine before most audio streams/files will be lower then this.
Most audio is around 16bit/44Khz, sometimes less.

[Slayer Seraph]

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How would I be able to tell? Not sure what it means.
I also have an advanced 5.1 sounds system with a high quality Onkyo AV-Receiver and speakers - I wonder what to set them to. Windows defaults it to 48K regardless of what sound gear is connected.

Also what the hell is Immediate Mode and why is it on by default? lol.

Yes, 24bit/48khz is the default. Leave it alone. Most Games require this.
If you actually have a game error regarding audio, then it might be a badly ported game that needs 16bit/44khz; yes some picky games are like that.

Above 48Khz does you no good unless you're on Digital, such as Optical TOSLINK

Think of these modes as how you do video playback; if you playback a 480p video in full screen while running at 1080p, what happens? You still get 480p video. The only issue would be if you dropped the actual display resolution below the resolution of whats being played.

If you set Windows Audio Playback to say 24bit/96Khz; this doesn't actually do anything, unless the connection is digital; you'd only have a "negative" if the audio file was above 24bit/96Khz, which is highly unlikely. Unless maybe it's a 1080p-HD or 4K-UHD Bluray using DTS Encoded playback.

So 24bit/48Khz is fine before most audio streams/files will be lower then this.
Most audio is around 16bit/44Khz, sometimes less.

My AV Receiver is connected by HDMI to my GPU. And then connects to the TV. It serves an amplifier for the speaker setting. My PC defaulted the AV-Receiver audio playback device to 16bit 48K Hz but this is clearly wrong. The devices has an extra tab in Playback Devices > Av Receiver Properties > called SUPPORTED FORMATS. It clearly supports both 16 and 24 bit (says so in the tab) as well as 44.1 48.0 96.0 192.0 Hz.
I set it to the highest setting:
24 Bit 192000 Hz Studio Quality.
Would that cause any issue? Can it cost cpu resources and fps? Will I get any different sound?

This is an ultra high end receiver. Onkyo TX-NR656. It can support all these settings and then some. And the speakers (Morel) are of very high sound quality and fidelity. Israeli made :) ^^ It was a big thoughtful investment.
I think it would be best to set it to the highest sample rate (still not sure what it means).
Although one thing to note: my PS4 Pro - when I set it to 5.1 Linear PCM -Sets it to 24Bit 48K Hz and it's unchangable there. But it could just be the PS4 Pro.

[Antitype]

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Cheap headphones, plain and simple.

HyperX is junk, always has been.

Really? I bought them for fairly cheap so I don't really mind, but actually I read and watched reviews about Hyper X cloud and they were all very positive.

I much rather play this game with Speakers anyhow- but I wanted to try it with HeadPhones -and it sounds very weak...

Nah, they're not. The HyperX Cloud (I and II) are actually one of the few decent "gaming headsets", they're rebranded Qpad QH-90/Takstar Pro 80 with detachable mic. The Revolver is even better, more expensive though.

[AiviLL]

Perfect Sound on my Hyper X Core, best for price , no regrets, freaking asmr voices.

[Slayer Seraph]

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GPU Audio is digital via HDMI or DP, however the default depends on the device driver for the most part. Thats just how it is. It does have options though and its up to you to know and change that, just like you would do on Xbox or Playstation.

Best bet is not use GPU Audio, instead use Optical TOSLink; any good Receiver has that.

Totally disagree. GPU audio is awesome and I have the latest Nvidia Driver and a really high end high quality Receiver that can do the trick.
HDMI audio + Video is superior and more simple. It's better in quality and way more flexible. Besides Optical cables are even more prone to damage or physical defects that leads to Quality deficiencies. HDMI are like that but to a lesser extent.
Plus not a lot of people know this, but if you connect AV Receiver to a TV directly with optical digital cable- and connect PC to the TV as well and PS4 for instance to the TV-you only get 2.0 Stereo option in Windows - Sounds- Playback Devices!
However if you connect Optical directly to the AVR you can get 5.1/7.1 surround on PC. But that means you will have to buy several Optical and always disconnect and reconnect your devices (PC and consoles) to the AVR single Optical port. Messy and bad.

Trust me I learned the hard way.
Optical works great if you only have a console and not a PC.
Oh also should mention my OC is about 1 room away from my TV. My TV and PC are not in the same room. And there's a 10 meter HDMI cable connecting them in between :).

So, the only true hassle free way to have 5.1 7.1 and anything really on PC with an AVR is connect the PC with HDMI from the HDMI port on the GPU to the HDMI port on the AV-R as well as connect every other device and console directly to the AVR with HDMI. Then finally connect the AVR with the single HDMI Out. That why windows detects the full range of abilities your AVR can have and unlocks all surround options - plus its P C M which is the best loseless quality.
That's much better than Optical that only offers Bitstream (dolby / dts). And far less flexibility.
That's why I upgrade my AVR recently. Because older models didn't support HDR, 4K 60fps HDCP 2.2 HDMI 2.0 and more. Transferring video and audio is the best way to go. It sounds awesome. HDMI is a very high quality way to deliver audio anyway. And I talked to expert support reps from Onkyo and Pioneer.

I used Optic for a while but I much rather have PCM over HDMI and full surround and not fake surround on PC (because it would detect only 2.0).
I just try to figure if I should set my Bit rate to 24 and Sample to 48 96 or 192? And if it has any cons and pros of I set it too high..
Wish I knew the right setting

[Bad 💀 Motha]

HDMI Audio from GPU is no different then whats already onboard your Motherboard for say, Realtek HD Codec... the differences is the GPU audio is digital only and doesn't have many flexable options, its relying on being connect to decent receiver w/ decent speakers.

[Antitype]

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I used Optic for a while but I much rather have PCM over HDMI and full surround and not fake surround on PC (because it would detect only 2.0).
I just try to figure if I should set my Bit rate to 24 and Sample to 48 96 or 192? And if it has any cons and pros of I set it too high..
Wish I knew the right setting

24/192 is best, assuming you have sufficient hdmi audio bandwidth if using 7.1 (5.1 should work with everything). Otherwise limit it to 24/96.

[Slayer Seraph]

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HDMI Audio from GPU is no different then whats already onboard your Motherboard for say, Realtek HD Codec... the differences is the GPU audio is digital only and doesn't have many flexable options, its relying on being connect to decent receiver w/ decent speakers.

That's exactly why I prefer it. It detects the capabilities of the AV Receiver and Speaker connected to it in the best way possible.
The quality of HDMI isn great, works with PCM, allows HDMI control (turning TV off/ON turns AVR as well, volume with TV remote) and let the AVR do all the work, working as an HDMI hub. It gives you more modes on the AVR too, and syncs best with Windows.
Do you think setting Sample rate to 24bit 48K Hz is ok? (Like what Windows give to Speakers over onboard soundcard)
Or maybe 96K?
I have always set it to 192K hz but I read that setting higher costs more resources and tax the CPU and may or may not interfere with sound.

Can't find enough info about recommend Smaple Rates for AVRs but most recommend at least 24bit 48Khz

[Ritchey#228471]

Actually optical is the only way to get 100% clean sound because optical cables don't transfer electricity and therefore you won't get any ground noise in the background.

My best experience is with a DAC, that is connected via optical -> seperate headphone amp -> headphones.

About the settings: 16 bit 96kHz is what 99% of recordings are done at. Only very few sources provide 24 bit and higher kHz. You would require very expensive hardware and good ears to hear the difference. Just keep it at that.

[Slayer Seraph]

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Really? I bought them for fairly cheap so I don't really mind, but actually I read and watched reviews about Hyper X cloud and they were all very positive.

I much rather play this game with Speakers anyhow- but I wanted to try it with HeadPhones -and it sounds very weak...

Nah, they're not. The HyperX Cloud (I and II) are actually one of the few decent "gaming headsets", they're rebranded Qpad QH-90/Takstar Pro 80 with detachable mic. The Revolver is even better, more expensive though.

That's what I was saying..it's clear that the Hyper X Cloud was designed to be a premium HeadPhones for gamers that's designed and built and even packed with neat features and quality materials - allto give it a premium feel.
Even if they are not as good as those studio higher end HeadPhones- I doubt its "crap" and "Junk".
I don't think all of those reviewers are idiots like some people here say they are- most of them probably went through a lot of HP.
I could be wrong. HP isn't my field of expertise, to put lightly .

[Slayer Seraph]

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I used Optic for a while but I much rather have PCM over HDMI and full surround and not fake surround on PC (because it would detect only 2.0).
I just try to figure if I should set my Bit rate to 24 and Sample to 48 96 or 192? And if it has any cons and pros of I set it too high..
Wish I knew the right setting

24/192 is best, assuming you have sufficient hdmi audio bandwidth if using 7.1 (5.1 should work with everything). Otherwise limit it to 24/96.

How would I know what's my HDMI audio Bandwidth?
What does it depend on and what does it mean anyway?
My AVR is 7.2 but I am using it as a 5.1 surround audio.
You think it would be best to just set it to 24 Bit , 96K Hz?
(which is 1 degree below the highest setting)
I just refuse to believe the Windows default of 16/48 on my HDMI AVR is normal -it seems a low random base number.

[Antitype]

I'm not sure, that's what I always heard, specifically that DTS-HD MA and TrueHD are limited to 24/96 in 7.1 (24/192 in 5.1) due to bandwidth. If you output in PCM then you should be able to use the highest quality. Though, since most sources are 24/48 going higher will only provide subtle quality improvements. Personally I use 24/96 and never had any issue.