So in this world the female vikings go out questing?

[Winter cruise]

Who the ♥♥♥♥ is defending the village from enemy raids and dragons then?

[sammoe]

İlk olarak Mike Oxlong tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak sammoe tarafından gönderildi:

You Guys are going a little deep in for me but the idea that women have never been at the sharp end of combat is simply wrong.
There were 800,000 women who served in the Soviet Armed Forces during WW2, which is roughly 3 percent of total military personnel Nearly 200,000 were decorated and 89 of them eventually received the Soviet Union’s highest award, the Hero of the Soviet Union, among which some served as pilots, snipers, machine gunners, tank crew members and partisans, as well as in auxiliary roles.

So to have a female Celtic warrior no big deal after all it's the Developers inviting you into
her world accepting the invitation or not is your choice

We're not talking about modern warfare. And you'll note these are not demanding infantry roles, and you're admitting most of them were not at all combat roles.

İlk olarak spokenlastchance tarafından gönderildi:

Your proposition is flawed because the argument you make is: There have never been female warriors in human history. It's only a myth that has been carried down by history. Therefore this game is bad because females have never been warriors in factual history even though this game takes place in purely fictional fantasy setting. I might be able to give credence if we were talking about a game that was specifically trying to be set in history. However, because this game is a fantasy game it needs not follow specific histoical records to tell their story nor does it need to follow real histoical evidence to tell their story. You even said it yourself females have been warriors in myth, and wouldn't you agree myth is art? And it can be argued this game is art as well. Therefore a game set in a fantasy setting can still be good even if goes against how the world really works.

I then went on to explain that it is a totally valid argument to not approve of the game because you believe they are pushing an agenda. However, that hasn't been the claim that you have openly expressed most times. I still think it's a stretch to make the claim that because a game might have an agenda it makes it ultimately a bad game. I think the most you could make claim to is that you don't support, and you refuse to acknowledge video game companies that follow that specific agenda on principle.

The reason I think it's a bad claim that a video game that is influenced by an agenda makes it a bad video game is the same reason that it's a bad claim to say art made with an agenda makes it bad art because it was influenced by an agenda.

We could technically go down the rabbit hole of Aesthetics in relation to art, but honestly that's a waste of time. If you're on the camp of only valuing art based on it's purely objective value of why it was made then we just disagree fundmentally. I still think art even if it has objective purpose or meaning can be viewed from an individuals subjective value structure and have meaning to them outside the artists intended purpose. I honestly doubt you or most people would feel that way especially if you're playing video games where the artists intended purpose or underlying message is so convoluted it's impossible to know without directly asking them, and even then most of them would never actually tell you. So you have to find some subjective value in the game in your own way.

I wasn't saying the game sucked because of that, I was just making fun of it to bait people. It's pandering to a 'historical woman warrior' ideal that is popular right now among feminists, and they are actually trying to pretend it happened, but that's ancillary. I also don't consider games art in the way you're discussing and wasn't making that serious a statement.

Do you have the tism? You seem to have issues interpreting very simple humor.

LOL
The Soviet Union deployed women snipers, and to good effect, including Nina Alexeyevna Lobkovskaya and Ukrainian Lyudmila Pavlichenko who killed over 300 German soldiers tell The poor souls on the end of these women's rifles that these women were not front line infantry

This is a story about ONE women not an army and as sure as the sun rises there have been women front line fighters throught out human history maybe not in great numbers but this is a fantasy story about one woman who happens to be a Celtic warrior and I for one look forward to playing the game

Here a small passage from a book on the subject of women taking up arms around the period this story seems to be built around

Among the ancient Celts women rulers and warriors were so common that when a group of Brigantian captives was brought to Rome in the reign of Claudius they automatically assumed his wife, Agrippina the Younger, was the ruler and ignored the Emperor while making their obeisance to her.

In plain English you talk Cr-aap there we go sorted

[Jimmy Rustler]

Snipers are not front line infantry. A few women may theoretically be suited because it doesn't require carrying much and is mainly about taking a shot and relocating. Women don't tend to be as accurate as men though.

What is the book and the source from which the information is drawn?

I can think of two female leaders from among the ancient Britons, both of whom were in that position due to unusal circumstances. Boudica ended up a leader because her husband died and she had no sons. I wasn't actually thinking of Cartimandua, but we aren't exactly clear how she came to be queen. The fact that the Brigantines had a queen doesn't mean that they wouldn't have understood most rulers were men. I don't think Tacitus ever mentioned female warriors.

[sammoe]

İlk olarak Mike Oxlong tarafından gönderildi:

Snipers are not front line infantry. A few women may theoretically be suited because it doesn't require carrying much and is mainly about taking a shot and relocating. Women don't tend to be as accurate as men though.

What is the book and the source from which the information is drawn?

I can think of two female leaders from among the ancient Britons, both of whom were in that position due to unusal circumstances. Boudica ended up a leader because her husband died and she had no sons. I wasn't actually thinking of Cartimandua, but we aren't exactly clear how she came to be queen. The fact that the Brigantines had a queen doesn't mean that they wouldn't have understood most rulers were men. I don't think Tacitus ever mentioned female warriors.

Legendary Celtic women warriors included Medb (Maeve) of Ireland, Aife (Aoife) of Alba (Scotland), and Queen Scathach of Skye.
The Viking Sagas and Saxo Grammaticus' "History of the Danes" mention many warrior women. Hetha, Visna and Vebiorg led companies of the Danish army.

Sorry but these LADIES fought their foes on the front line and are from the era of this game which is featuring a single warrior and they exsisted so sorry to say

Game Set & Match To the Ladies
Anyway enjoy your week

[Jimmy Rustler]

İlk olarak sammoe tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Mike Oxlong tarafından gönderildi:

Snipers are not front line infantry. A few women may theoretically be suited because it doesn't require carrying much and is mainly about taking a shot and relocating. Women don't tend to be as accurate as men though.

What is the book and the source from which the information is drawn?

I can think of two female leaders from among the ancient Britons, both of whom were in that position due to unusal circumstances. Boudica ended up a leader because her husband died and she had no sons. I wasn't actually thinking of Cartimandua, but we aren't exactly clear how she came to be queen. The fact that the Brigantines had a queen doesn't mean that they wouldn't have understood most rulers were men. I don't think Tacitus ever mentioned female warriors.

Legendary Celtic women warriors included Medb (Maeve) of Ireland, Aife (Aoife) of Alba (Scotland), and Queen Scathach of Skye.
The Viking Sagas and Saxo Grammaticus' "History of the Danes" mention many warrior women. Hetha, Visna and Vebiorg led companies of the Danish army.

Sorry but these LADIES fought their foes on the front line and are from the era of this game which is featuring a single warrior and they exsisted so sorry to say

Game Set & Match To the Ladies
Anyway enjoy your week

Am I being trolled again? Maeve, Aife and Scathach are mythological figures from the Ulster Cycle.The Sagas are also works of fiction.

The Gramatticus passage you're referring to is relating the legend of King Harald as a preservation of Danish oral tradition. I doubt even he believed it was true. Do you also believe Harald and his captains were instructed in war by Odin?

[sammoe]

İlk olarak Mike Oxlong tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak sammoe tarafından gönderildi:

Legendary Celtic women warriors included Medb (Maeve) of Ireland, Aife (Aoife) of Alba (Scotland), and Queen Scathach of Skye.
The Viking Sagas and Saxo Grammaticus' "History of the Danes" mention many warrior women. Hetha, Visna and Vebiorg led companies of the Danish army.

Sorry but these LADIES fought their foes on the front line and are from the era of this game which is featuring a single warrior and they exsisted so sorry to say

Game Set & Match To the Ladies
Anyway enjoy your week

Am I being trolled again? Maeve, Aife and Scathach are mythological figures from the Ulster Cycle.The Sagas are also works of fiction.

The Gramatticus passage you're referring to is relating the legend of King Harald as a preservation of Danish oral tradition. I doubt even he believed it was true. Do you also believe Harald and his captains were instructed in war by Odin?

No one is trolling there are statues of women in british museums dating to this era with short swords and shields fighting there are women listed on gladitor rosta's from the roman times so one female warrior of on a quest in a computor game is well within the relms belief
Is there some problem you have with some women being on a equal footing in what some call a "Mans " world

But if you feel "safer" thinking that women are all bound by the limitations you seem to set them who am I to argue as for this warrior business they have been there done it got the tee shirt some in the very lands I live in .

As I said game set and match to the ladies but nodoubt you will waffle on and I bet supergirl must have come as shock to you as a kid I mean a woman super hero !

I will leave you to have the last word and wish you well

[subliminalvoices]

better not think, chances are, if you werent aware of those differences, between vikings and celts, you either are stupid kid, or a redneck. Live a happy "consumer" life and dont weigh your head with this nonsense, it might not handle it.

[Winter cruise]

People are still responding to this ♥♥♥♥?

[Jimmy Rustler]

İlk olarak Iorn tarafından gönderildi:

People are still responding to this ♥♥♥♥?

Well done.

[spokenlastchance]

İlk olarak Mike Oxlong tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak spokenlastchance tarafından gönderildi:

I'm not quite sure how correcting people on facts is humor? OH THE RUSSIANS KILLED MORE PEOPLE THEN THE NAZI DID GOT YEAH! AHAHAHAHA.

That's the thing, you didn't disagree with any facts. You just gave bizarre and esoteric reasons why an opinion you logically followed from some of my relatively innocuous statements that I had about the quality of a game and the medium of games in general was not valid. The reason I gave for thinking the game is going to be garbage, although the obvious agenda isn't a good sign, was that this is a terrible company who ruined a great action series.

So you do have the tism?

You clearly don't know how arguments work you take a premise, and then you relate to that a conclusion. I can agree with histoical information, but disagree with the conclusion you make about the facts presented because like I already explained about ten times your conclusion lacks any merit. I do find it interesting when presented with an actual arugment it turns into calling the other person an idiot. Although because you have presented a very flawed conclusion it clearly makes you an idiot or a troll take your pick. Jyi that wasn't an ad hominem ;)

Harmless? You're intentionally trolling pretty much this entire sub fourm for giggles. I wouldn't really call that harmless. I also explained why your reasoning in regards to the female warrior being a bad trope is absurd in it's very premise alone especially in the fantasy genre where reality needs not be followed.

You have actually never made a single comment about DMC in this entire thread or heck the other one I got into either. So once again how are you not a troll? Intentionally coming into a thread sturing up something of non importance to get a rise out of people? Oh right you're a troll.

Side note your contiuned used of the word tism really should be applied to you. It's very clear you lack any sort of ability to use the social contract maybe you're an ARTISTIC ♥♥♥♥?

[spokenlastchance]

İlk olarak youknowhatimean tarafından gönderildi:

better not think, chances are, if you werent aware of those differences, between vikings and celts, you either are stupid kid, or a redneck. Live a happy "consumer" life and dont weigh your head with this nonsense, it might not handle it.

Have you even watched or read anything about the story? The specific premise is she is a celt being haunted by the nordic gods.......because they killed her boyfriend. It's not like she is a celt worshiping the nordic gods.

Calls other people stupid then makes a stupid claim because they are stupid epic fail.

[subliminalvoices]

İlk olarak spokenlastchance tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak youknowhatimean tarafından gönderildi:

better not think, chances are, if you werent aware of those differences, between vikings and celts, you either are stupid kid, or a redneck. Live a happy "consumer" life and dont weigh your head with this nonsense, it might not handle it.

Have you even watched or read anything about the story? The specific premise is she is a celt being haunted by the nordic gods.......because they killed her boyfriend. It's not like she is a celt worshiping the nordic gods.

Calls other people stupid then makes a stupid claim because they are stupid epic fail.

lol, what :l tell me, which part of my post made you think that im implying shes worshipping nordic pantheon?

[spokenlastchance]

İlk olarak youknowhatimean tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak spokenlastchance tarafından gönderildi:

Have you even watched or read anything about the story? The specific premise is she is a celt being haunted by the nordic gods.......because they killed her boyfriend. It's not like she is a celt worshiping the nordic gods.

Calls other people stupid then makes a stupid claim because they are stupid epic fail.

lol, what :l tell me, which part of my post made you think that im implying shes worshipping nordic pantheon?

Honestly your comment provided little to no context. I wasn't sure if you were refering to the person above you or you were making one of the most common generalization about how this game has a celt fighting off nordic gods.

[The Roadstar]

İlk olarak Iorn tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak xTheVisionary tarafından gönderildi:

Senua isn't a Viking, she's a Celt. She's fighting Vikings. Female warriors were quite common in Celtic society. Senua, in particular, is a Pict. And we know there were Pictish female warriors prior to 697 AD.

What ♥♥♥♥ is a celt?!

A basketball team from Boston.

[Sierra117]

dovaking will win!

[Jimmy Rustler]

İlk olarak spokenlastchance tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Mike Oxlong tarafından gönderildi:

That's the thing, you didn't disagree with any facts. You just gave bizarre and esoteric reasons why an opinion you logically followed from some of my relatively innocuous statements that I had about the quality of a game and the medium of games in general was not valid. The reason I gave for thinking the game is going to be garbage, although the obvious agenda isn't a good sign, was that this is a terrible company who ruined a great action series.

So you do have the tism?

You clearly don't know how arguments work you take a premise, and then you relate to that a conclusion. I can agree with histoical information, but disagree with the conclusion you make about the facts presented because like I already explained about ten times your conclusion lacks any merit. I do find it interesting when presented with an actual arugment it turns into calling the other person an idiot. Although because you have presented a very flawed conclusion it clearly makes you an idiot or a troll take your pick. Jyi that wasn't an ad hominem ;)

Harmless? You're intentionally trolling pretty much this entire sub fourm for giggles. I wouldn't really call that harmless. I also explained why your reasoning in regards to the female warrior being a bad trope is absurd in it's very premise alone especially in the fantasy genre where reality needs not be followed.

You have actually never made a single comment about DMC in this entire thread or heck the other one I got into either. So once again how are you not a troll? Intentionally coming into a thread sturing up something of non importance to get a rise out of people? Oh right you're a troll.

Side note your contiuned used of the word tism really should be applied to you. It's very clear you lack any sort of ability to use the social contract maybe you're an ARTISTIC ♥♥♥♥?

You are definitely suffering from some form of autism. I'll keep that in mind from now on when you fail to understand basic things.

I never said the female warrior trope was bad, I'm just not impressed by the way they're pushing it in this to get attention. I like female warriors. Usually choose the female character in games, actually. Like to be able to look at a nice ass while I play.