Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair

Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair

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BlueMage 2016 年 9 月 1 日 下午 6:42
What are your opinions on both DR3 anime so far?
Honestly, I was really hyped for them at first but it's been pretty disappointing. I don't think the last 4 episodes of each can really save it for me...

Future is just...stupid with the "inconsistencies" on what the characters can do and if the plausible theory going around about who the traitor is turns out to be true, I'll be pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥ off.
Despair was always meh and episode 7 was the icing on the cake. I was really hyped for the event but there wasn't any sort of build-up in the actual episode for a pretty big and impactful event. It seemed to care more about the shock value than anything else. Plus, I still don't buy the Student Council going mad SO fast. It would be ok for that to happen (even though I hate the fact Izuru ended up not having anything to do with it) if they actually manged the scene properly and didn't just throw the viewer out there. Thankfully, episode 8 turned out to be pretty good and it's probably my favorite Despair episode (perhaps tied with Fuyuhiko's sister episode) but it still doesn't redeem the anime to me.

No, the Yasuke cameo doesn't save you Kodaka.:makoto_DGR:

I'm sure I'm in the minority but I'm actually really disappointed on how things are right now. Eh, I hope V3 is better.
最后由 BlueMage 编辑于; 2016 年 9 月 1 日 下午 6:43
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YayPepsi 2016 年 9 月 8 日 下午 8:07 
Ah I see what you mean. I accidentally said first game instead of second game in my first post. My bad.
最后由 YayPepsi 编辑于; 2016 年 9 月 8 日 下午 8:10
Shirsh 2016 年 9 月 13 日 上午 4:43 
引用自 The Great Gozu
If the survivor count is 6, then there are two hidden participants and that would ♥♥♥♥ up every theory so far
And it was 6 xD
Post credit scene of future ep10 dissappointed me a bit, it's more mysterious like this, fine, but I expected to see dedicated half-episode or something.
最后由 Shirsh 编辑于; 2016 年 9 月 13 日 上午 4:44
Shirsh 2016 年 9 月 15 日 上午 2:16 
Hmm, you know guys, on positive side brainwashing-video makes 1st game more meaningful: after crashing world with cheaty technology Enoshima created killing game with real non-cheaty despair to show it to the world and goes to the limits.
最后由 Shirsh 编辑于; 2016 年 9 月 15 日 上午 2:16
Shy Monkeys 2016 年 9 月 15 日 上午 11:35 
引用自 Shirsh
Hmm, you know guys, on positive side brainwashing-video makes 1st game more meaningful: after crashing world with cheaty technology Enoshima created killing game with real non-cheaty despair to show it to the world and goes to the limits.
I've always thought erasing their memories was kind of cheating.
Darkfiro 2016 年 9 月 15 日 下午 11:01 
Well all I can said is that Danganronpa 3 Despair arc episode 10 was... Brutal to watch.
And this came from a guy who find leon's death ironically funny :monokuma_DGR:.
Phantron 2016 年 9 月 16 日 上午 9:04 
引用自 JackBauer
引用自 Shirsh
Hmm, you know guys, on positive side brainwashing-video makes 1st game more meaningful: after crashing world with cheaty technology Enoshima created killing game with real non-cheaty despair to show it to the world and goes to the limits.
I've always thought erasing their memories was kind of cheating.

I don't even get why Danganronpa tries to have these cheaty devices that basically absolves everyone of all sin when the characters have been shown to be totally untrustworthy by the game themselves. Take DR1, Mondo is basically a thug who could kill someone in a burst of rage (there's nothing particularly inflammatory Chihiro said, so that situation could've happened to anyone else) and then you got 2 mass murderers (Toko/Mukuro). Kyoko, the Mary Sue of DR1, immediately turned on the only guy who ever trusted her when it looked like she could die. I always got the feeling that the cast of DR1/DR2 were always on the verge of killing each other for the slightest provocation. Given the setting in the world, something like 'I'm going to randomly throw people out to rot in the Despair controlled world' would've been enough to get the murders going.

Instead we have all these totally cheaty device. It's almost like the game's trying to explain that these guys really wouldn't have killed each other and it's not their fault, even though their action suggests that they'd certainly have murdered each other just for a chance to live. I mean you go through DR1's chapter 4 where the surviving cast are supposed to bonded and no longer fall for Junko's petty tricks, and then what happens in chapter 5? They immediately turned on the scapegoat to save themselves. Did anyone come out and say, "I refuse to vote because I believe in Kyoko and Makoto both?" Nope, Kyoko had no problem backstabbing Makoto and the rest had no problem to send him to his death so that the rest wouldn't die. Or you tell me these guys seriously believe Makoto was the murderer and then immediately welcomed him back after he miraculously survived?


BlueMage 2016 年 9 月 17 日 下午 5:20 
引用自 Phantron
Kyoko, the Mary Sue of DR1, immediately turned on the only guy who ever trusted her when it looked like she could die. I always got the feeling that the cast of DR1/DR2 were always on the verge of killing each other for the slightest provocation. Given the setting in the world, something like 'I'm going to randomly throw people out to rot in the Despair controlled world' would've been enough to get the murders going.
You have no idea how much that made me hate her character (as if I didn't already find her annoying before.) She also was a total b**** to Jin because she "assumed" he was an a****** (Hint: He wasn't and is a way more interesting character than her).
I was beyond mad when she came to "rescue" Makoto and only said "My bad. I just sent you to your death... But you're alive, so we k. Let's go." and Makoto shrugs it off. I mean... Really? That's all she has to say after sending Makoto to his death? The only person who trusted her up until that point? What an admirable person you are...
最后由 BlueMage 编辑于; 2016 年 9 月 17 日 下午 5:20
Shy Monkeys 2016 年 9 月 17 日 下午 7:59 
引用自 Phantron
引用自 JackBauer
I've always thought erasing their memories was kind of cheating.

I always got the feeling that the cast of DR1/DR2 were always on the verge of killing each other for the slightest provocation.
Eh, I don't feel like the cast of DR2 was ever as much on the verge of killing each other as DR1, they were all usually chilling and having a pretty good time, I trusted all the characters who were left when chapter 3 came around. Heck Monokuma had to start playing hardball with his motives with that chapter, where he basically created a scenario in which a killer would eventually have to come about.
Phantron 2016 年 9 月 17 日 下午 10:20 
Maybe it's harsh to say that the cast of DR1/DR2 would've killed each other given the slightest provocation, but they're certainly not this group of awesome best friends that represent humanity's last hope against Despair that the game tries to portray them as. Just based on the profile of the students alone you shouldn't feel very safe hanging out with some of these guys, and that's before knowing more about their secrets. In both of the 'frame the innocent girl' cases in DR, all the characters chose to let someone be the scapegoat to save their own skin even if they suspected something was amiss. Never at any point did someone say "I refuse to condemn Kyoko/Chiaki even if she did it", because making that stand will probably get themselves killed so they'd rather kill the innocent instead.

Finally making a stand against Monokuma when it looks like you can win isn't hope. That's call being a bandwagon fan. Basically whenever Junko demands a sacrifice, the vast majority of the characters will immediately gave her whatever they want to save themselves. The few who won't succumb to that generally dies randomly due to other issues or, in Chiaki's case, gets to be the one who is framed. Okay maybe they'll send some nasty letters to Junko after it's all over, but if Junko didn't have a personality defect that causes her to somehow give away the game while starting in an unassailable position, there's no reason to believe that the students wouldn't immediately capitulate again when she framed her next victim.

For the longest time I thought that DR's entire point was that it's ironic Junko intervened which prevented the cast of DR1/DR2 from killing themselves. In her twisted way of thinking she's spreading despair, she actually redeemed the cast of DR1/DR2, as now they can just blame her for her nonsensical brainwash technology even though both group of characters were always on the verge of total collapse without the need of such gimmick. Obviously that's not actually true, but I started feeling sympathetic for Junko after DR3 came out which basically suggests anybody could've pulled the same trick she did with the widely available brainwashing technology in DR. It's like she worked so hard to be this all consuming despair and yet it amounted to nothing, not because despair was defeated by hope but that literally anybody could've pulled the same thing off with the same technology and that some of the characters likely don't need to be brainwashed to start killing themselves.
coca cola 2016 年 12 月 6 日 下午 10:49 
september 1st.... 14 days until suicide
Battler Ushiromiya 2016 年 12 月 6 日 下午 10:57 
引用自 rawrmcm
september 1st.... 14 days until suicide
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