Nexus Mods Sucks.

[maestro]

Meh, I hate how Nexus Mods seems to be like the only good mod hosting site around, but yet they suck.

They force you to have an account just to download mods, but yet they let you download mods for free, so not sure why you must have an account to download mods, and they have ridiculous practices like forcing you to email verify if you haven't logged on in awhile, and they make it almost impossible, if not impossible entirely to get your account back if you change your email address and then lose access to your old email, which is the boat I'm in now.

Comcast promised to let me keep my email address after I left them for a local ISP that is cheaper, and suddenly one day, my emails stopped working and I thought I had everything switched over.

I forgot about Nexus Mods. I only use that for a couple games I play seldomly. It's a fricken mod site. I don't need to log into it regularly. But no, they're all like "YOU GOTTA VERIFY YOUR EMAIL BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T LOGGED IN AWHILE!"

.... really?

I mean, the site is just for downloading mods. They're treating it like it's a fricken Online Banking or something actually important.

I could understand if you were a mod creator and had uploaded mods, but for some regular joe schmoe who has a freebie account who just downloads mods for a game or two, I don't need 2FA, I don't even need an account if they didn't force me to have one. I literally don't care about having an account, I just want a couple mods.

Aaaanyhow, I had to switch to using Curseforge but Curseforge's library is a lot smaller, in fact, it only has 1, count them, 1 Remove Fishing Minigame Mod that doesn't even work anymore.

Sure, you can use CJB Cheats, but it doesn't work anywhere near as good because it still shows the minigame, it just auto-completes it. Yet Another Fishing Mod (and similar mods on Nexus) removed the minigame entirely which saves you at least 5 seconds each cast.

Just a bit of rant of mine, wanting to play SDV again, but having to again deal with that annoying crap that is Nexus. Really wish someone would dethrone them.

That and they're woke anyway, another reason to dethrone them.

[sel]

nexus has been garbage for years now, unfortunately.
but yes, its the only mod website outside of ModDB, which thankfully is the place for all older games. I guess Thunder store exists too for a few games.
I wont even mention the insane authoritarian censorship that Nexus has... you seem to know what I mean.

also I believe you need an account to prevent bots from attacking them and downloading tons of files, costing them lots of money and downing servers. Which doesnt really add up, given ModDB doesnt require anything from you to download stuff, and they host much larger files, with much more frequent traffic in a few spots.

[Aerogems]

Escrito originalmente por maestro:

<long rant>

So what's stopping you from creating a better site? Instead of complaining on Steam forums, you could be putting that time and energy into building something new and, at least in your opinion, better. Maybe along the way you'll find some of the answers to the questions you pose.

[Ericlegacy]

I understand what you mean.

But I will say, as a mod creator myself, what does help a lot is when users comment on our mod pages, we can see what versions of the mod those users have downloaded and when they were downloaded. It's a small thing but does help us troubleshoot what versions of the mods users are using when they submit bug reports.

The second thing I can think of why they require a login is to keep track of unique downloads, which help pay the mod creators. I think that's to slow down anyone trying to manipulate the system with masking or using VPNs. And instead it tracks by account per unique download.

And honestly? Most mod creators probably wouldn't continue their work if it wasn't for the donation point system they have in place.

[Sunny]

On one hand, I understand being frustrated with the website.

On the other hand, I think end-user preference falls SIGNIFICANTLY below mod-author preference on this type of issue.

The mod-authors prefer it. If you want to continue benefiting from their voluntary work, you use what they prefer, or you eat your Fractureiser infected single mod from curse.

If you don't like that option, you can always sign up for individual mod authors' Patreons and get your mods that way.

Here's a start:
https://www.patreon.com/pathoschild

People deserve to be paid for their work. Nexus pays them. The login requirement is related to the systems around said payment.

If you really desperately want to see more mods on Curse, campaign to Curse to pay better.

[EleventhStar]

Escrito originalmente por Aerogems:

Escrito originalmente por maestro:

<long rant>

So what's stopping you from creating a better site? Instead of complaining on Steam forums, you could be putting that time and energy into building something new and, at least in your opinion, better. Maybe along the way you'll find some of the answers to the questions you pose.

barrier of entry is high and profitability low?

it's both the reason nexus sucks and there are no alternatives. the same logic applies to e.g. twitter or youtube. lack of competition keeps the quality of sites low and the monetization horrendous, while simultaneously it's extremely difficult (and thus expensive) to attract both users and content producers to alternatives that lack users and content.

it's a quite unfortunate situation where capitalism doesn't work as intended.

[EleventhStar]

Escrito originalmente por Sunny:

If you don't like that option, you can always sign up for individual mod authors' Patreons and get your mods that way.

people actually do that? surely they just donate there and then download the mods at any more user friendly site that's available?

People deserve to be paid for their work.

no they don't. consumers don't care about that, nor should they. consumers will only pay you for something that has value to them.

more importantly, if you follow this "deserve" logic, modders should pay a license fee to the game maker and then the whole modding scene immediately collapses.

[Sunny]

Escrito originalmente por EleventhStar:

Escrito originalmente por Sunny:

If you don't like that option, you can always sign up for individual mod authors' Patreons and get your mods that way.

people actually do that? surely they just donate there and then download the mods at any more user friendly site that's available?

I mean, it's an option if the issue is using Nexus Mods, which is what this thread is about. They are rejecting the 'user friendly sites that are available', which leaves Patreon or Discord as their alternative. See: OP.

People deserve to be paid for their work.

no they don't. consumers don't care about that, nor should they. consumers will only pay you for something that has value to them.

Mods have no value? I assume you don't use them, then. They certainly have value to me: at least enough to bother logging in to a site before I download them, so that they can be paid by the advertisers who got my eyeballs for a second. YMMV.

more importantly, if you follow this "deserve" logic, modders should pay a license fee to the game maker and then the whole modding scene immediately collapses.

This is an interesting take.

[maestro]

Escrito originalmente por Sunny:

On one hand, I understand being frustrated with the website.

On the other hand, I think end-user preference falls SIGNIFICANTLY below mod-author preference on this type of issue.

The mod-authors prefer it. If you want to continue benefiting from their voluntary work, you use what they prefer, or you eat your Fractureiser infected single mod from curse.

If you don't like that option, you can always sign up for individual mod authors' Patreons and get your mods that way.

Here's a start:
https://www.patreon.com/pathoschild

People deserve to be paid for their work. Nexus pays them. The login requirement is related to the systems around said payment.

If you really desperately want to see more mods on Curse, campaign to Curse to pay better.

I remember when modders modded a game because they were passionate about said game. They would include a link to Patreon in their mods, but the mods were in no way paywalled, especially not by a woke hosting site that is quite frankly stupid about actually letting you access it.

I wouldn't mind reactivating my Nexus account, but unless you fork over $$$ you can't recover an account if your email associated with that account can no longer be accessed.

Strange, other websites you don't pay for have recovery methods, usually involving secret questions & answers.

And the "better system" would actually be Steam Workshop. Really wish CA would just enable Steam Workshop then nobody would need nexus OR curse.

But luckily, the two mods I "need" to enjoy the game are on Curse, so Nexus can just go sod off if they don't wanna let me reactivate my account. The only other games I used them for were Crashesda games which I hardly ever play anymore and if I did, I'll either just play them unmodded or use their built-in modding framework.

Oh and I suppose there's subnautica but eh. The two mods I used there, I suppose I'd just have to do without I suppose.

[Sunny]

Why don't you just make a new free account?

[maestro]

Escrito originalmente por Sunny:

Why don't you just make a new free account?

Maybe because I don't want to go through the hassle and/or maybe it's just downright stupid practices and annoyances that I don't wanna support a site that does that kind of stupidity... for what... a modding platform?

Maybe I don't want to give patronage to a company that wants to hold my account hostage behind a paywall, treating me like dirt because I don't pay them a monthly sub?

lol

Again, all of this security... not letting you recover an account unless you're a paid subscriber (which means they CAN do it they just don't want to), websites that are more important don't even do that.

All of that.... for a site that just lets you download mods.

They're acting like it's an Online Banking account or something, FFS.

EDIT: BTW they don't need accounts to have download metrics for mods, and if they were concerned about bots, they could use reCAPTCHA if an anonymous user tries to download a mod. reCAPTCHAs are annoying but that'd be an acceptable alternative.

[Sunny]

[Aerogems]

Escrito originalmente por EleventhStar:

Escrito originalmente por Aerogems:

So what's stopping you from creating a better site? Instead of complaining on Steam forums, you could be putting that time and energy into building something new and, at least in your opinion, better. Maybe along the way you'll find some of the answers to the questions you pose.

barrier of entry is high and profitability low?

it's both the reason nexus sucks and there are no alternatives. the same logic applies to e.g. twitter or youtube. lack of competition keeps the quality of sites low and the monetization horrendous, while simultaneously it's extremely difficult (and thus expensive) to attract both users and content producers to alternatives that lack users and content.

it's a quite unfortunate situation where capitalism doesn't work as intended.

Not the point. Instead of complaining about having to show the same respect to others that they expect to be shown, the OP could put all that "righteous" culture warrior energy into building a better site than Nexus Mods. Of course nothing better is ever going to come along if everyone just sits around complaining about how much Nexus sucks instead of doing something about it.

It's also easy to armchair quarterback and say how this or that doesn't make any sense when you have no concept of what goes into making a site like Nexus. You run into this sort of thing all the time. Someone who couldn't even code a hello world program seems to feel like they're qualified to critique decisions made about a site the complexity of Nexus. Is it the perfect site? No. Is it better than anything the OP could likely produce? Definitely, or the OP would have simply done something instead of whining. I mean, just for starters, they already seem to be ignorant of, or have forgotten, the fact that SDV exists on platforms like GOG, so the Steam Workshop idea would leave all those players out in the cold. Then, if SMAPI for Android is ever updated for 1.6, same thing. I mean, FFS, there's already a pinned topic on these forums explaining why they won't use Steam Workshop that apparently the OP couldn't be bothered to read.

[ChrillBill]

Woke culture is everywhere these days, and yes it is both draining and annoying. Personally I don't get too involved with them. I download the mods I need, I support the creators I want to support in the best way I can and that's pretty much it. What I am saying is, even if you feel the way you do about them, you shouldn't let that stop you from modding.

Sooner or later they will be dethroned, because nothing lasts forever. In the meantime, you can still get what you need from them while mentally giving them the middle finger.

[EleventhStar]

Escrito originalmente por Sunny:

Mods have no value? I assume you don't use them, then. They certainly have value to me: at least enough to bother logging in to a site before I download them, so that they can be paid by the advertisers who got my eyeballs for a second. YMMV.

sure mods have value. if we add a simple 80/20 rule to the smapi creator page you linked earlier then the being generous the entire stardew mod scene is worth about $2000 a month. aka less than minimum wage for a single person.

if were generous again and say the ads on nexus are worth 10% of the donation value then yeaaaah... the whole modders do it for the money argument just has no legs.

more importantly, if you follow this "deserve" logic, modders should pay a license fee to the game maker and then the whole modding scene immediately collapses.

This is an interesting take.

not really. modding has always existed in a don't ask don't tell legal grey zone. it's in neither the game companies, mod makers or consumers interest to take too close a look, cause as soon as you do the very very shaky legal house of cards falls down.

buuut... people can't help themselves. game companies sometimes want to moderate or monetize the mod content, modders want to make money and/or not have their work stolen by the company, consumers want to make star wars with the mods, etc.

if you want to mod by the letter of the law, it's just a non starter. especially in the US which typically is an important market. some fun case law in favor of mod makers in germany though.

[Aerogems]

Escrito originalmente por ChrillBill:

Woke culture is everywhere these days, and yes it is both draining and annoying. Personally I don't get too involved with them. I download the mods I need, I support the creators I want to support in the best way I can and that's pretty much it. What I am saying is, even if you feel the way you do about them, you shouldn't let that stop you from modding.

Sooner or later they will be dethroned, because nothing lasts forever. In the meantime, you can still get what you need from them while mentally giving them the middle finger. :brownchicken:

I always get a good chuckle out of people who complain about "woke" without any sense of irony.

Anyway, you ever think an inclusive game like SDV might not be for someone with such delicate sensibilities as yourself?