Demetrius 6 Heart Event

[Shona (vincit omnia veritas)]

You really bring the discussion if a tomato is a fruit or vegetable?

I know the answer but this answer is not in the game so i choose vegetable because technically a tomato is the fruit of the tomato plant, but it's used as a vegetable in cooking.

And thats the answer i waited for but i only got "vegetable" or "fruit" so neither of both is the correct answer for the question.

[Lurlex]

To Landwalker04:

Originally posted by Landwalker04:

Demetrius is being a smartass and deserves to have a mega bomb shoved down his throat so that the player can marry Robin.

It's a dangerous thing to assume you can read a person's mind in real life, let alone a digital set of pixelated brains. I work with people like this, I know them, and I was one in a past life. Watch The Big Bang Theory ... the dialogue among the characters might be funny, but humor is based on reality. Analytical minds like that really do exist, that will take you literally, at your word, and be utterly confused at an argument like this.

They're real-life versions of Vulcans. Yes, there are really people out there that would have made the mistake and not have been "smartasses" to have made it. I interpreted the Demetrius/Robin argument to be genuine, and Demetrius's argument to be real. I know people (again, in the real world) that would have been on his side of the argument and equally confused. People who learned about the world more from reading than experience will often be this way.


To everyone else:


It's irrelevant what it "technically" is. The argument was about whether or not Robin was justified in getting literally ANGRY at her husband for making the mistake, and the fact of the matter is ... he's a scientific, analytical mind, and the mistake was an honest one. She knew that when she married him (or should have), therefore, she was yelling for bad reasons.

If you pick the "it's a fruit" option, he promises to try harder to get better at interpreting her not-so-literal language in the future, which is about as much as you can ask of the guy ... to try harder to not be so much the irritating person that he is (from his wife's perspective). What more could you want?

She was yelling at her husband for being the husband that she agreed to marry when she decided to let him BE her husband. Fux to that, she loses.

[PhilkIced]

Originally posted by Landwalker04:

Judging by the Wiki's description of this event, since somehow it never triggered for me:

Robin wants Demetrius to go get "fruit."
Demetrius comes back with tomatoes, and claims he's right, because tomatoes are fruit, and so his "mistake" was reasonable.

Verdict: Demetrius is right in that tomatoes are fruit. He is not right that his "mistake" is reasonable, because anyone who was told to "go get some fruit" would not come back with tomatoes. Yes, everyone knows tomatoes are fruits. But everyone also knows what the connotation is when "fruit" is used in a non-explicitly-tomato sentence. Demetrius is being a smartass and deserves to have a mega bomb shoved down his throat so that the player can marry Robin.

I like your Robin logic.

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by Lurlex:

She was yelling at her husband for being the husband that she agreed to marry when she decided to let him BE her husband.

Sooooo she was acting 100% human. :b Because, hey, people tend to expect other people around them to view things the same way they do. Even if they know each other intimately (or especially when they know each other intimately).

Secondly, people can have arguments and disagreements without it being the end of the world.

Thirdly, kudos to ConcernedApe for depicting a fairly realistic marriage, highs and lows and all, instead of making a super-fake "everything is rainbows and lollipops and cute bunnies all the time!"

[Wraith_Magus]

As much as it's nice that you're trying to murder people for being different or saying that scientists are definitionally evil and inhuman and all, this conversation misses literally the only part that maters:

What are the actual in-game friendship point effect results of either choice?

I presume, since it's apparently Demetrius's event, then your choice only impacts his friendship points, and therefore the "right answer" is fruit, because that is the answer that makes him happy.

(Indeed, picking "fruit" results in Robin not complaining and having a heart over her head...)

[Kurzidan]

The entire event reeks of wrong.

Robin shouldn't be getting so overly pissed, because she should know better. She's been with him for ATLEAST as long as Maru's been alive. That's over 18+ years to have figured this ♥♥♥♥ out.

Robin is Wrong.

Demetrius has been with her for this long, He should also know by now that she doesn't speak in science nerd lingo. If she says "go shopping" for "fruit" She means "Civilian/Majority" "common" task, And by extension, Culinary. Because if it isn't being viewed scientifically, It is automatically culinary. "Neither" or "Normal" is Culinary. Not-normal/Scientific is Scientific.
Going off and getting scientific fruit when someone asks you to go shopping isn't correct, and its been 18+ years for him to understand his wife.

Demetrius is wrong

When Demetrius asks you to clarify what a tomato really is, His response is wrong.

Demetrius is wrong.

If you actually pick fruit, which is what he wants to hear.

You are Wrong.

If you pick vegetable, as it is commonly categorized as. Demetrius will be sad/upset, and say he thought you would've known the right answer, Implying that you are wrong, Which is why I said earlier that his response is wrong. You are not wrong if you say Vegetable.

As a farmer. You view Tomatoes as Vegetables.
As a Consumer, You view tomatoes as vegetables.
As a wo/man of Science, You view Tomatoes as they are seen scientifically, As a fruit.

When someone asks you to go "Perform Consumerism" Your mind set should be in consumer mode. Tomatoes are not fruit.

When someone tells you to "go farm" or "Make a farm" etc
Your mind set should be "Consumer" or "Farmer" (I'm oversimplifying the types and number of them, likely, also, btw.) If they tell you "Make a fruit farm, with a fruit bat cave" Then "They" should never ever EVER see a tomato growing on your land, or coming out of your farm as "produce"

Because its not a fruit.

If a team of scientists are going to conduct an experiment on tomatoes, They'll see and refer to it as a fruit. (Or might. They might not.... They probably will)

If this were some kinda alternate universe or different period of time, and to become part of the team of scientists you had to prove yourself/your knowledge to them by doing something, instead of taking classes to get degrees and whatever.... And they asked you to go out, document, identify, and bring back 1 of every fruit you could find in the area. You would document a tomato as a fruit, and bring one of them back as well as the rest, or you would be penalized/fail.

Because it is scientifically/characteristically a Fruit

If you were a student. You likely would be told to be in the "Scientific" mindset... Or the Academic mindset, which I'd say would just be a broader, simple, more relaxed variant of the scientific one... And You would like be instructed to refer to them in an academic setting as Fruit.... unless it was Home Ec... sorry. That's now called (the confusing combination of) "Family and Consumer science" where you would probably be informed to refer to them as a vegetable, and to be used as such.

Again. Consumer/farmer -> vegetable.
When you keg a tomato -> Vegetable Juice (Tomato) (Think it actually jumps to be "Tomato Juice")

when you jar a vegetable/Tomato -> Pickled

when you examine the produce of it, a "tomato" -> vegetable
Vegetable Medley -> (only) consists of "multiple" vegetables mixed together -> 1 tomato and 1 beet
so on.. so forth.

When you in real life go to perform consumerism. I.E. Shop at your local quik-e-mart/ food market.

You will see hundreds of cans of V8 Vegetable Juice.
Whose primary ingredient is Tomato Juice, and is comprised of a blend of vegetable ingredients ontop of a "drink" standard. (ingredients like Sugar, High Fructose corn syrup, etc)....

Thus.
Everybody is wrong. You're not wrong, You're just not Right. And both of the suspects of this wrong event, are wrong, they're not wrong, they're just not right....

But Even when you're right, you're actually wrong, or!... Demetrius will make you feel like you're wrong and that you should feel bad for it. And That's wrong.

[Dee Twenty]

Originally posted by Lurlex:

She was yelling at her husband for being the husband that she agreed to marry when she decided to let him BE her husband. Fux to that, she loses.

On the other hand, he's been married to or dating Robin for, presumably, at least 18 years, not sure if they ever mention precisely how long since I haven't gotten around to any of their family's heart events yet, but their kids are at least 18 since they're both marriage candidates. He's a pretty lousy husband if, after all those years, he still can't understand what his wife wants without needing to be explicitly told that she wants more normal fruits like apples or oranges, not tomatoes or zucchinis.

[Supernova]

Originally posted by Kurzidan:

The entire event reeks of wrong.

If you pick vegetable, as it is commonly categorized as. Demetrius will be sad/upset, and say he thought you would've known the right answer, Implying that you are wrong, Which is why I said earlier that his response is wrong. You are not wrong if you say Vegetable.

As a farmer. You view Tomatoes as Vegetables.
As a Consumer, You view tomatoes as vegetables.
As a wo/man of Science, You view Tomatoes as they are seen scientifically, As a fruit.

When someone asks you to go "Perform Consumerism" Your mind set should be in consumer mode. Tomatoes are not fruit.

When someone tells you to "go farm" or "Make a farm" etc
Your mind set should be "Consumer" or "Farmer" (I'm oversimplifying the types and number of them, likely, also, btw.) If they tell you "Make a fruit farm, with a fruit bat cave" Then "They" should never ever EVER see a tomato growing on your land, or coming out of your farm as "produce"

Because its not a fruit.

I'm a bit late to the party on this one, but I see someone else posted my exact thoughts on the matter. I chose Vegetable under the thought that a farmer, knowing taxation and regulations on produce, would know that a tomato, while botanically a fruit, is considered a Vegetable for taxation and tariff purposes and has been that way for 100 years. So, a farmer, needing to live within those constraints to operate a profitable farm, would say "vegetable," because for him or her to continue being a farmer, it is a vegetable in the legal extent of the word.

I'll just take the friendship rating hit and make it up to him with lots of ice cream.

[Wraith_Magus]

Originally posted by Boris Airay:

I'm a bit late to the party on this one, but I see someone else posted my exact thoughts on the matter. I chose Vegetable under the thought that a farmer, knowing taxation and regulations on produce, would know that a tomato, while botanically a fruit, is considered a Vegetable for taxation and tariff purposes and has been that way for 100 years. So, a farmer, needing to live within those constraints to operate a profitable farm, would say "vegetable," because for him or her to continue being a farmer, it is a vegetable in the legal extent of the word.

I'll just take the friendship rating hit and make it up to him with lots of ice cream.

That's been the law for 100 years in what country?

Why does Pelican Town have the same laws as your specific country?

[Lathluin]

I think what seems to be disregarded here is the actual purpose of this event. Not like I know what CA was exactly thinking about, but to me all this is to show that he acknowledges the tomato vegetable/fruit issue and that he is aware that scientifically, tomato is a fruit, but because of game mechanics he had to put it under the category of vegetable for it to be impossible to make "tomato wine". He probably wanted to save himself the work of creating a whole new category for only one item that bore the category name "Fruit" but acted as a "Vegetable", but he also knew that he would be called out for it so he added this event here.

It´s a pitty tho because you can actually make tomato marmalade, but tomato wine would be... ugh...

[sonolil]

Am I the only one who found this thread absolutely hilarious? (Behold my necromancy)