Planting crops with Deluxe Speed-Gro or Quality Fertilizer

[theFuzzyMenace]

Based on the prices for selling gold/silver/regular crops it looks to me like you are always better off using speed-gro instead of fertilizer. You will always make more money selling a higher number of mixed crops than by selling several extra gold crops. I did my math (which may contain multiple errors) based on getting an average 50% regular, 30%silver, 20%gold without fertilizer and 10% regular, 30% silver, 60% gold with quality fertilizer. Compared to a 25% decrease in growth time with deluxe speed-gro there seems to be no contest. The percentages might not be perfect but I'm pretty sure they are close enough to work.

Some crops that have long growth times like rhubarb or real low sell prices like parsnip aren't worth using either one but otherwise speed-gro always wins.

You can check out my spreadsheet in open format if anyone is interested or do the math yourselves. If you see a mistake give me a heads up, I'm trying to plan my crops as efficiently as possible.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AvkaJFvqAyjk4kx_gxQk3L0OFImsePLVXapJ_29rCWQ/pub?output=ods

[theFuzzyMenace]

Then don't look at it you lil troll. The point of the whole thing is the use of fert or not.

[Deadlee6]

Pyrofish are you like 10 years old or somthing? That is google documents and legit. Have you never used google documents before? You can create live spreadsheets or documents and make it live so anyone can see it and watch you edit it or even type on it. Know your stuff before you start saying it's a virus.

[timewar]

Sure, faster is better. Gold/silver means nothing if you turn it into wine/jam. I prefer the longer grow time though, so I can do other things like killing slimes and fishing.

[SilentCaay]

Edit: Disregard. I confused Quality and Basic fertilizers.

Originally posted by theFuzzyMenace:

Based on the prices for selling gold/silver/regular crops it looks to me like you are always better off using speed-gro instead of fertilizer. You will always make more money selling a higher number of mixed crops than by selling several extra gold crops. I did my math (which may contain multiple errors) based on getting an average 50% regular, 30%silver, 20%gold without fertilizer and 10% regular, 30% silver, 60% gold with quality fertilizer. Compared to a 25% decrease in growth time with deluxe speed-gro there seems to be no contest. The percentages might not be perfect but I'm pretty sure they are close enough to work.

But did you factor in that Quality is EZPZ to craft for free while Speed-Gro is a pain in the neck to get mats for so you'll probably end up buying it which cuts into your profits? SG might be better if you're in the late game and you're not harvesting enough trees to make Q for free but in the late game I don't bother fertilizing much of my crops, at all. If you did the math for minmax then I'll take your word for it. Personally, I just turn all the incidental sap I have saved up into Q and use it but don't buy anything after that.

In the early game you're harvesting tons of trees, of course, so making Q is very cost effective. I used Q on everything back in Year 1 and 2.

[software.goddess]

Originally posted by Deadlee6:

Pyrofish are you like 10 years old or somthing? That is google documents and legit. Have you never used google documents before? You can create live spreadsheets or documents and make it live so anyone can see it and watch you edit it or even type on it. Know your stuff before you start saying it's a virus.

As much as I hate to defend Pyrofish (Who gets on all of our nerves), it is in fact possible to embed a virus in a Google Doc. It is foolish to download one from someone whom you do not know and trust. It is a much better idea for the OP to upload the doc. so it can be viewed without downloading.

[Jaguar]

The chances of a Googledoc spreadsheet having a virus in it is slim to none.

https://support.google.com/a/answer/172541?hl=en/

You can't share a document in google docs if it has a virus attached to it (unless it is using some brand new heuristics that even the google anti virus checker doesn't know about yet).

[Realtek_HD]

Originally posted by Pyrofish:

Originally posted by Jaguar:

The chances of a Googledoc spreadsheet having a virus in it is slim to none.

https://support.google.com/a/answer/172541?hl=en/

You can't share a document in google docs if it has a virus attached to it (unless it is using some brand new heuristics that even the google anti virus checker doesn't know about yet).

Then he should have no problem uploading it somewhere, no?

He did upload it somewhere. He uploaded it to google docs. Are you stupid?

But if it makes you feel better here's your damn link. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IIQ4Pc6ZZJLKoTCzq4f7TcnM45VmY6OowYX3YCa1_2o/edit?usp=sharing

[CatPerson]

Originally posted by software.goddess:

It is a much better idea for the OP to upload the doc. so it can be viewed without downloading.

Last I knew, when it came to the internet, if you can see in your browser, you've downloaded it. Just the way it works. It's there somewhere in the zillions of browser temp files. Used to be able to see a lot of them clearly in there via file names, but now they disguise them in various ways.

Whether such is "safer" vs. technically hitting a download/save to file and manually opening on your system, I have no idea. Depends on the virus' method of activation I suppose.

Regardless, yes, it's generally wise to avoid d/l or visiting links if one isn't familiar/known. :)

[CatPerson]

Oh, and on topic, :D .... I got to a point where I never used anything on the ground at all. No fertilizer, no speed-gro. Seemed like a waste of precious time...but I'm the sort who has huge farm plots vs. only using the Greenhouse or something.

So beyond purely profit math, it depends on what crops you're growing, what goods you're making, and size of your plant-farming operations, whether one thinks it's efficient/useful or worth the time, even if may make a little more money.

Before too long, you have so much money it doesn't matter anyway.

[Rio]

Almost anything can have a virus, its more a matter of how likely it's a virus. Ads are quite a common way to get viruses. Noscript + Adblock can go a ways to helping you be virus free while web surfing, but you still need to do regular system checks, be up to date, ect.

I too stop caring about fertilizer faily quickly, except for speedgrow on very long growth time crops. Without any sort of money per time requirement or fail its left only to beating your best score. The main two places quality fertilizer would really matter to me, it doesn't apply as in repeat harvest crops or in wine/preserves.

So to me preserve jars and kegs kick the only legs fertilizers had to stand on out from under them. And it doesn't help after basic, fertlizer is annoying to make and really expensive to buy. And the big things I'd like to use it on, I can't (gold star wine/preserves, speedgrow on fruit trees, Quality on repeat harvest crops).

Gonna be honest here, I think fertlizer should come from farm animals and it should be better. Then there is less of this Raising animals from a min/max idea is a waste of money.

And as far as I'm concerned, water retaining fertlizer is worthless as quickly as you can get sprinklers. An its made even more worthless that crops suffer no ill effects from a day of missed watering. In fact it could be made to be useful like say during summer day 10 to 25 crops need watering twice, once in the morning and once in the evening. If you have the water retaining soil they only need the morning watering (Which can be done by sprinklers).

[SilentCaay]

I just realized I confused Quality and Basic fertilizer so my above post doesn't make a lot of sense. I tried crafting Quality for like 2 seasons but it was a pain in the butt stocking enough fish.

[theFuzzyMenace]

I can see where in the later years of playing the extra money might not matter much. I just started the summer of year 2 and (especially on this year) I've been trying to plan out how many of which crops and etc, etc to get the most money and not grow just blueberries all summer. I was surprised that, in terms of overall profit, fertilizer isn't really worth it.

[theFuzzyMenace]

As far as the spreadhseet is concerned I'd be happy to upload it elsewhere if someone actually wants to check it out or use it to plan their own crops. I'm a bit of a noob though to using forums and obviously within this thread alone many people have differing ideas of what is secure so if anyone wants to suggest a site I will be happy to put it up.

[Realtek_HD]

Originally posted by Pyrofish:

Originally posted by Cloudpersona:

He did upload it somewhere. He uploaded it to google docs. Are you stupid?

But if it makes you feel better here's your damn link. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IIQ4Pc6ZZJLKoTCzq4f7TcnM45VmY6OowYX3YCa1_2o/edit?usp=sharing

Upload the image, duh. Little brain function goes a long way.

So you are an idiot. Cool.

[I Kinda Fail]

Originally posted by Pyrofish:

Originally posted by Cloudpersona:

So you are an idiot. Cool.

Go on and explain how I am.

There is no reason he can't upload it anywhere.

I actually don't know how to post images on here, but I'm going to take a shot in the dark and assume it's a pain in the butt. But the file had no viruses. I glanced through it. Just a boring ol' spreadsheet. By all means, stay away if you're that worried. But I imagine you've been on this forum so long that you don't really need the info anyways. This is more for beginners or intermediate, I guess.


On topic, I really only ever use basic fertilizer, and even then that's usually only early on. I never use crab pots, and to my knowledge, having that one crab pot fishing perk to remove garbage is the only easy way to get tons of fish. Because I'm certainly not fishing 1 fish for some fertilizer, lol. Same with water retaining: I never have a huge surplus of stone, so this isn't worth it to me. If it was changed so that it guaranteed it retained water, but only lasted say, 10 days, then it'd be useful. But having it be a "chance" doesn't help at all.

Generally, for the early-mid game, before I get iridium sprinklers, I have 44 crops per "square", with a scarecrow dead center and Qsprinklers in the 3x3 corners. I manually water the middle rows with a copper watering can. If I could use water retaining soil there, for example, then hell yeah. Save me some work. But it's just a chance - if 2 are watered and 1 isn't, I still have to waddle my fat ass over to fix it.

In my later playthroughs, I've been replanting trees as I go along, so I don't usually actually clear my farm until the end of summer 1, at which point I've got like 50 saplings or more planted. So now, I've got plenty of sap for basic fertilizer. During my first playthrough I NEVER used fertilizer, and had like 5 stacks of sap. :P