Last good game that PB made was original Risen

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[Mellarius]

Gothic 2-3 were cool.
Gothic 4 was weak.
Risen 1 was cool.
Next Risen was good.
But third Risen was weak, and even some really good new gameplay ideas didn't helped it. Clown clothing on Patty, many quests like "collect/kill X of Y" - this is awful and boring.

There is no infinite series in gamedev.
And I'm happy that devs want to bring new setting and gameplay, they are learning of their mistakes (or "mistakes", depends of players opinion).

[ImSexyAndiNOED]

Originally posted by Mellarius:

Gothic 2-3 were cool.
Gothic 4 was weak.
Risen 1 was cool.
Next Risen was good.
But third Risen was weak, and even some really good new gameplay ideas didn't helped it. Clown clothing on Patty, many quests like "collect/kill X of Y" - this is awful and boring.

You've missed Gothic 1 ,as good as G2 ,or maybe better.

[ImSexyAndiNOED]

Originally posted by (•‿•) ßärräcüdä:

Gothic 2 is definitely twice as long as Gothic 1.

True,Gothic 2 is longer ,better gameplay.Gothic 1 has the best atmosphere from all Gothics,in my opinion.Anyway ,my personal favorite will always be G2.

[MaWo79]

I totally agree. Risen was PBs last good game. I was so disappointed with Risen 2. And I was even more disappointed when they announced the third part. Risen 3 was the first PB game ever, that I didn’t buy. (BTW: Is it “a game that I didn’t buy”, “a game which I didn’t buy” or “a game I didn’t buy”? How do I write that correctly? Just out of curiosity.)

I still can’t understand what went wrong. The original Risen was a solid game. It received overall good reviews from game magazines and even better ones from its fans. It only needed some polishing here and there to be excellent. This game could have been a good foundation for further titles. But instead PB decided to trash everything they already achieved with Risen and make Risen 2 completely new. And by new I mean worse in every single aspect, from fundamental game mechanics to the general setting and the whole story. (i.m.o.)

I don’t know. Maybe it has to do with a lot of core PB members leaving the team after Risen 1. All I know is, that someone at PB made a lot of bad decisions after they finished the original Risen.

I still don’t know if ELEX was a good decision at all. We will see.

[BDK]

I enjoyed ever single Risen, every single Gothic (by PB, not the other garbage) and I cant friggin wait for ELEX.

[Mindaugas]

Well Risen 1 was full on PB game i think,and then Deep Silver entered forced pirate setting on them with guns and stuff with killed story,becouse no lore can handle this much of change and yeah,combat system was crap compared too Risen1.Hope ELEX gonna be more like Gothic 1-2-3 or Risen 1 if not if they follow Risen 2-3 then ai giving up on them,becouse they had 2 chances and this is 3 one if it will actual not Deep Silver fould and if it is on them,well yeah kkthnkbye then :)

[^7ja^1co]

I somewhat agree with OP.

Gothic 1 = amazing (finished more than 3 times)
Gothic 2 + Raven's Night = even more amazing (finished more than 3 times)
Gothic 3 = tragedy (could take about 3h of that crap)
Risen 1 = Amazing, gothic like 100% (in a different setting) (finished 3 times)
Risen 2 = no dramas, but visibly worse than Risen 1 (finished once)
Risen 3 = started playing, did a few hours and still looking for motivation to finish the game...I want to play mage so it takes a bit of time to get to spells etc., but once I get to magic I will probably finish the game :)

Elex looks dangerously similar to Gothic 3 on screenshots, I have a feeling it's not going to be anyhere near as good as Gothics or Risen 1.

[^7ja^1co]

Originally posted by (•‿•) ßärräcüdä:

Gothic 3 is actually good imo. With community patches that is. It is probably the best open world RPG. Well one of the best. But the freedom it gives u is unchallenged. You can conquer cities to ur liking. That is just cool and it has many many cities. Don't discard gothic it is good and if u want it to be harder than use community patch as well.

First of all, you have to use huge patches to make the game remotely playable...the fact that fans had to do it yet PB somehow did not manage it is just ridiculous and disrespectful to all who bought the game.

Second of all, freedom it gives is unchallanged? Where have you been for the past 10 years?

G3 is bad, it is nowhere near the quality of G1 or G2/R1. I can understand that perhaps you as a hardcore fan are enjoying it, good for you, but I will not accept a G3 as a playable game, I wish it was.

[zotheender]

I actually enjoying risen 2 more than risen 1 because i already played gothic 1 and risen 1 is like gothic 1 all over again, atleast risen 2 tries to be its own thing.

[Jazz the Goose]

Risen 1 was by far the worst game of pb. gothic 3 and 2 were amazing imo, risen 3 and gothic 1 were great, risen 2 was pretty fun as well

[Carver]

But R2 and R3 are fun...It's all subjective.

[Jazz the Goose]

Originally posted by (•‿•) ßärräcüdä:

Originally posted by BeastMaker:

Risen 1 was by far the worst game of pb. gothic 3 and 2 were amazing imo, risen 3 and gothic 1 were great, risen 2 was pretty fun as well

what is wrong with u? How dare u call risen 2 and 3 good games and risen 1 bad. Are you sure you are ok?

risen 1 lacked the humor of all other games, it had boring dialogue, buggy combat and animations, boring factions, boring story, fewest and worst side quests of all games. thats why.

[zotheender]

Originally posted by BeastMaker:

Risen 1 was by far the worst game of pb. gothic 3 and 2 were amazing imo, risen 3 and gothic 1 were great, risen 2 was pretty fun as well

Agreed, Risen 1 is just a Gothic 1 copy,

1) Instead being inprisoned in a giant forcefield, you are inprisoned in a cursed island.

2) Old camp is a Harbour town, new camp is a Bandit camp, Sect camp is a Monastery.

3) Eldric is the new goofy Xardas,Mendoza is Cor kalom with a cool golden Ocular

4) In the end instead of fighting sleeper you fight the titan

honestly why playing the same game twice, Risen 2 and Risen 3 are more original and unique games, the experience is more fresh and unexpected.

[zotheender]

why play the same game twice. Lol. So u never replayed gothic games? Many people here have. Besides the lore is different and the technology is better.

Love Gothic 1-2 and did replay them because i had a few games only, then started playing Risen 1 i felt like i have already played this game but still finished it out of nostalgia.
Prefer for Piranha Bytes to try something new but still keep good gameplay elements.

Agreed that Risen 1 has good mechanics but the recycled plot just ruined it for me.

But the comparisons you draw can be drawn for any other game. Because guess what every other game is a fantasy game where you kill a bunch of monsters meet a bunch of mages and join a bunch of factions.

Go ahead and give me just one example of a game in which

1) the main character is imprisoned in a large area because of story (cursed island / giant forcefield).

2) It has exactly three factions, one in a swamp (Don faction / Sect Camp), other is a town (Old Camp/Harbour Town), last ιs in a mountain area (New Camp / Monastery).

3) a powerful Bald man (Mendoza / Cor kalom) wants to unleash a godlike monster.

Both Risen 1 and Gothic 1 share the three comparisons and i can name even more comparisons if you wish.

[Jazz the Goose]

Originally posted by (•‿•) ßärräcüdä:

Originally posted by zotheender:

Love Gothic 1-2 and did replay them because i had a few games only, then started playing Risen 1 i felt like i have already played this game but still finished it out of nostalgia.
Prefer for Piranha Bytes to try something new but still keep good gameplay elements.

Agreed that Risen 1 has good mechanics but the recycled plot just ruined it for me.



Go ahead and give me just one example of a game in which

1) the main character is imprisoned in a large area because of story (cursed island / giant forcefield).

2) It has exactly three factions, one in a swamp (Don faction / Sect Camp), other is a town (Old Camp/Harbour Town), last ιs in a mountain area (New Camp / Monastery).

3) a powerful Bald man (Mendoza / Cor kalom) wants to unleash a godlike monster.

Both Risen 1 and Gothic 1 share the three comparisons and i can name even more comparisons if you wish.

Hey, how about Morrowind.

Main character is also btw a prisoner like in gothic. And he is cut off from mainland due to corprus.

3 Great Houses that you can join, one of the houses located in a city full of mushrooms and water (so pretty swampy)

Dagoth Ur is pretty bald to me and he is trying to unleash a godlike monster

Soo uhhhhh pleaaaaaaase

Still risen 1 sucked. after joing a guild there wasnt anything to do besides the main story, there werent any more choices. and many quest were pretty annoying tbh. quests. combat was buggy and all in all risen 2 and 3 were better games. yes they got stuff wrong that r1 did better but the improved on more aspects than they ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up imo