How to get charsima early on?

[Nobelissimos]

In the first settlement, the first few quests you come across have options for charisma related speech, you need like level 8 to be able to even get a single point in charsima, did the developers expect you to skip these and come back to them later on if you wanted to do them? Or to grind against wildlife? Even if they don't really do much, it seems odd they are there and you won't be anywhere near getting the skills for it by that time.

[Sai Kyouji]

You can make an amulet of Charisma. Goliet's armor trader sells the blueprint for it.
It instantly adds 3 points in Charisma (1 from practitioner), if I remember right.

[dustin1280]

I wouldn't worry too much about those checks, because it's not easy to get to 6 charisma and still keep your character viable early on.

[Moon mission captain]

Level 8?
I remember getting charisma very early on.
This might not be shown, but any skill point in the personality tree will give you charisma.
I guess devs didn't write it in every skill description.

[stormsyn]

I think, the developers dont want anything. It is all optional. You could go directly to the clerics if you want. And if you do this, then you could lvl up on this. But then you miss some of the skill bases choices there and so on and so on. It is mostly not really relevant and you miss only some exp, but i think it is a nice reward and makes so much sense rpg wise.

[Sai Kyouji]

Originally posted by dustin1280:

I wouldn't worry too much about those checks, because it's not easy to get to 6 charisma and still keep your character viable early on.

True, those checks just give extra exp, realy. Like 25-50.

[Nobelissimos]

Originally posted by The Evil One:

Level 8?
I remember getting charisma very early on.
This might not be shown, but any skill point in the personality tree will give you charisma.
I guess devs didn't write it in every skill description.

How did you get to level 8 tho? Were you grinding outside? Did you do quests in another area before going to Goliet?

[Taron]

You don't have to be level 8, you can get it at level 3. Any skill you buy in the "Personality" tree gives you +1 Charisma. Its a translation issue, Personality and Charisma are the same thing in the game. So if you want to get Charisma early on for dialog checks, just buy skills in the Personality tree and spend your attribute points on the prerequisite stats (int & cunning usually). You could have 3 Charisma by level 4, etc. that way.

I've made sure to always get the bonus dialog options by saving before a conversation, and if the conversation has a skill check (Charisma=Personality, Combat, Crafting, or Survival) I'll re-load and make note of it. Then I'll go level up by just killing stuff or doing other quests until I can get the skill needed. Certain amulets/rings can be found/crafted as well to help. You'll want to have a balanced set of skills if you want to pursue this because all 4 of the above are checked in different conversations, though Charisma is probably the most common. A great one is a Crafting check that Jora has in a conversation about Elexit being used as money and he'll give you a nice Mace for that check, which was my primary weapon for a while.

Eventually you can buy the special skills (all found in the Personality tree) that give +10 instead of +1, but only apply to dialogs, and I assume by that point you should be set for the rest of the game (though you have to be quite high level to afford those).

[Nobelissimos]

You need 60 points if I recall correctly, to meet the requirement for Personality, and you get 10 points per level.

Seems you either need to go out of your way to get these small xp bonuses, by grinding, or building gear that gives you charsima bonus.

And im mostly concerned with charisma checks that you can't go back to or can't skip, like Stormson who I don't think you can talk to again once you walk by him for the first time, to get that charisma check.

Its weird that they would put stuff that you can't easily do so early on, and they really do push you to Goliet first, I don't know if its efficent at all to go to other areas first, especially since you get a quest to visit the other settlements anyways from Goliet (tho maybe you can turn that in immediatly if you've been to other places before). Maybe it's only put there just incase you do ignore them for a time and go elsewhere and you're not really supposed to get them if you go there first.

Maybe im just thinking about this too much.

[Taron]

Okay I don't think you are getting what we are saying. Let me be incredibly clear here:

YOU. DO. NOT. NEED. TO. GET. THE. "PERSONALITY SKILLS". ABILITY. TO. RAISE. CHARISMA!

Here are all the ways you can raise Charisma:

• Attribute Points ability - +1 Charisma each (up to 3)
  
• Experienced Hunter ability - +1 Charisma
  
• Bookworm ability (though otherwise useless) - +1 Charisma
  
• Practitioner ability - +1 Charisma
  
• Haggler ability - +1 Charisma each (up to 2)
  
• Personality Skills ability - +10 Charisma
  
• Group ability - +1 Charisma
  
• Advocate ability - +1 Charisma
  
• Friend of Beasts ability - +1 Charisma
  
• Attribute ability - +1 Charisma
  
• Emotional ability - +1 Charisma
  
• Balanced ability - +1 Charisma
  
• Synthetic ability - +1 Charisma
  
• Amulet of Charisma - +2 Charisma (buy recipe from Caldrim near mana shrine, requires Goldsmithing skill)
  
• Likely some other rings/amulets I haven't found yet

I know this isn't clear in the game itself, like I said in my previous post its somewhat of a translation issue, but I was serious about being able to get Charisma raised in the first few levels. For example:

• Level 2 - Put 5 points into Int and 5 into Cunning
  
• Level 3 - Put 10 points into Cunning
  
• Train "Attribute Points" ability from the general store lady - Charisma is now 1
  
• Use the 10 points you just got to get 5 more Cunning and 5 more Int
  
• Train "Haggler" ability from the general store lady - Charisma is now 2
  
• Level 4 - Put 10 points into Int
  
• Train "Group" ability from the general store lady - Charisma is now 3
  
• Level 5 - Put 10 points into Dexterity
  
• Train "Goldsmithing" ability from Alrik (hangs out behind the bar)
  
• Buy the Amulet of Charisma recipe from Caldrim at mana shrine
  
• Build the Amulet at a workbench and equip it - Charisma is now 5

That should get you all you need for most major Charisma checks in Chapter 1 (I have yet to encounter one that needs more than 5 so far). The amulet also gives you 5% bonus XP for all quests completed while wearing it.

[Nobelissimos]

Originally posted by Taron:

Okay I don't think you are getting what we are saying. Let me be incredibly clear here:

YOU. DO. NOT. NEED. TO. GET. THE. "PERSONALITY SKILLS". ABILITY. TO. RAISE. CHARISMA!

Here are all the ways you can raise Charisma:

• Attribute Points ability - +1 Charisma each (up to 3)
  
• Experienced Hunter ability - +1 Charisma
  
• Bookworm ability (though otherwise useless) - +1 Charisma
  
• Practitioner ability - +1 Charisma
  
• Haggler ability - +1 Charisma each (up to 2)
  
• Personality Skills ability - +10 Charisma
  
• Group ability - +1 Charisma
  
• Advocate ability - +1 Charisma
  
• Friend of Beasts ability - +1 Charisma
  
• Attribute ability - +1 Charisma
  
• Emotional ability - +1 Charisma
  
• Balanced ability - +1 Charisma
  
• Synthetic ability - +1 Charisma
  
• Amulet of Charisma - +2 Charisma (buy recipe from Caldrim near mana shrine, requires Goldsmithing skill)
  
• Likely some other rings/amulets I haven't found yet

I know this isn't clear in the game itself, like I said in my previous post its somewhat of a translation issue, but I was serious about being able to get Charisma raised in the first few levels. For example:

• Level 2 - Put 5 points into Int and 5 into Cunning
  
• Level 3 - Put 10 points into Cunning
  
• Train "Attribute Points" ability from the general store lady - Charisma is now 1
  
• Use the 10 points you just got to get 5 more Cunning and 5 more Int
  
• Train "Haggler" ability from the general store lady - Charisma is now 2
  
• Level 4 - Put 10 points into Int
  
• Train "Group" ability from the general store lady - Charisma is now 3
  
• Level 5 - Put 10 points into Dexterity
  
• Train "Goldsmithing" ability from Alrik (hangs out behind the bar)
  
• Buy the Amulet of Charisma recipe from Caldrim at mana shrine
  
• Build the Amulet at a workbench and equip it - Charisma is now 5

That should get you all you need for most major Charisma checks in Chapter 1 (I have yet to encounter one that needs more than 5 so far). The amulet also gives you 5% bonus XP for all quests completed while wearing it.

Oh ok, this clears it up. I was thinking only the "Personality skills, combat skills, crafting skills, etc" skills raised up charisma 1 each, and also unlocked their specific speech checks, as you see some people have "crafting 1" or "personality 1" and sometimes "charisma 2".

This clears it up, and maks getting charsima up alot easier than I thought it actually was. Thanks.

[Taron]

Those other checks are related to skills in their respective trees. Every skill in the Combat tab gives +1 to "Combat" dialog checks, everything in Crafting gives +1 to "Crafting" dialog checks, and everything in "Survival" gives +1 to "Survival" dialog checks.

So, for example, you'll want to buy at least one ability in the "Combat" tab, such as "Melee Weapons", in order to use a dialog option for a quest involving Drog (the front gate guard).

The special exception to the normal rule is those skills you mentioned in the Personality tab. Each of them give a whopping +10 to the associated dialog check. They are intended for late-game as a way to be able to easily pass all dialog checks of that type with a single ability purchase.

[Nobelissimos]

Yea I thought I had to get the "personality skills" to be able to pass personality skillchecks, which is why I thought it was crazy needing to get 40 int and 40 of another attribute to get this one skill which would take like 8 levels.

Thanks for clearing all this up, it makes much more sense now. Hopefully other people confused like I was come across this thread.

[Taron]

I thought the same thing at first, in fact the first thing I did when getting the game was try to figure out how Charisma works because it seemed crazy to expect you to get 40 points in Int and Cunning just to pass a dialog check.