Piranha Bytes fanboys are ridiculously uncritical. Why?

[Blackened Halo]

UPDATE
Please forget this stupid post, guys! let it ♥♥♥♥ing be!!! :D I love the game! I love ELEX!!! Lets enjoy that wonderful game together!

ORIGINAL ♥♥♥♥♥♥ STORY

I mean, while I quite like Elex, the game's cons are eye-catching. Basically every aspect of the game has ist faults and should be fixed in the future. But there are players who defend PB till death and I call them the Piranha Bytes Force!

I love the Gothic series and I like the Risen series but I always knew their bads, especially when it comes to Risen 2, Risen 3 and unfinished Gothic 3, and I was not affraid of naming them. But here on Steam, in the Elex forum, I am just amazed how ridiculously the things got too far.The PB Force have their answers on every questionable design choices.

When you claim that the combat system is clunky as hell, the PB Force says it is good because it has a feeling of survival (what?!!!). When you dont like the combat (which of course you dont, there is no single reason you should like it), they label you a casual child.

When you try to critise the graphics, because the game looks like a 10 years old game and the technical state of the game undoubtely deserves criticism, some members of the PB Force say that Elex looks in many ways better than The Witcher 3. Yes, they say that.

When you try to say that the animations look horrible, because they do, they say, it is ok, because it is not an AAA game. Well, the reason why should I tolerate bad animations in a game for 50 bucks in 2017, is unknown for me. Problably, because this is a PB game, so it is absolutely alright when Elex has unfixed problems, because they havent still been fixed since Gothic 1 and we all should have already been used to them.

Etc..Etc...

Why are the PB fans so ridiculously uncritical when it comes to Elex? The game has a lot of problems, why cant you see them? Don you want the game to be better, or what?

[Brother PaciFist]

Originally posted by Ser Janitor:

I would assume the majority of them is german. I am german myself. Most germans have very rigid minds, raised to have those, both institutionally and familial. Elex is a great example, the lack of polish and immersive qualities are easily overlooked because their rigid understanding of what an RPG should be meets the rigid design ideas of PB.

Germans are also notorious for having a very low yearning for comfort so broken controls and bad game design that leads to artificial difficulty but no actually enjoyable and well designed challenges and combat, a staple of PB games, wouldn't bother them much.

Also gaming publications in germany are corrupt and/or incompetent even compared to the general degenerated industry of game reviewing. But they have mass followings of the aforementioned zombie like young gamers. I don't think PB ever released a game where they didn't also buy their reviews.
ELEX got a 8.5 out of 10 score from Gamestar...the same rating they gave Prey for example :)))

this isn't exclusive to videogames of course, if you want to go down a rabbit hole you'll wish you hadn't, check out what is popular in germany among other forms of entertainment media

A long time that i heard so much insane racist garbage. Go home Germanhater. Germany is one of the most liberal countries in europe. 40% of all people living in germany are not even from german descendant.

Spout your racist slurs somewhere else.

[Chashmodai]

Originally posted by telamiina:

ME1-3 innovating... It was all story. Game got dummer every time :(

Andromeda is the best mass effect

[SonOfNitrous]

Originally posted by Squidcake:

Originally posted by SonOfNitrous:

The only thing why consoles are dominant is a moneyflow. Consoles got very popular because of (I'm sorry for this statement) stupidity of users in mass market - most brains just aren't suited for complex games. No innovations, bad visuals, poor design and so low quality games based on an outdated console hardware.

I giggled when you talked about lack of innovation, poor design, and overall low quality, assuming you believe Elex doesn't lack in those departments.

When you talk of stupidity in the mass market, people defending this studio are part of the problem because they don't hold PB to any standard of quality anymore. They're just taking in whatever they spew out, how mechanically backwards it may be.

I'm not defending this studio nor saying that ELEX has smth super-innovative. But World is somehow alive - many things are going on when you even don't actually see them but you trigger events. That's a huge work for such a small studio.

I've pointed that consoles due to extremely outdated poor hardware and specific customers, specific controlling system just can't make innovative things happen. It's holding back all gaming industry.

[Turbo Nozomix]

Originally posted by telamiina:

ME1-3 innovating... It was all story. Game got dummer every time :(

Yeah.

A brief list of games series' that have featured less innovation than PB's games:

Mass Effect
Ubisoft's Far Cry games
Assassin's Creed (though Origins is looking quite different)
Bethesda's Fallouts
The Elder Scrolls since Morrowind
Bioshock

I guess squidface doesn't play any of those. Actually, I'm sure they do - they're just a hypocrite in doing so.

[Limp Squirrel]

Haha, this entire rant of your is technically irrelevant, cause for someone to ♥♥♥♥♥ about how opinions don't matter if you don't own the game, you sure don't seem to own it yourself.

And apparently, owning it on other platforms is a pretense, right. If there's a joke around here, it's you.

Buddy, you just went on a full denial/insult rant there. Call me a sociopath all you want, it's crystal clear that's your to-go-to method when you run out of proper responses. And from the looks of it, you ran out a long time ago. You can only repeat baseless praise that many times before you run out of alternatives. So ad-hominem it was. That last word salad of a paragraph you wrote is rife with clinical denial of your own hypocrisy and failure to make a point.

The fact that you took Bioshock, a linear shooter as a base of comparison for innovation just goes to show how deep you're trying to dig for Something to work with. And still, that comparison is one big wtf lingering around.

Go take your purple pill and go back to whatever twisted reality it takes you to, where Elex is the pinnacle of quality of innovation, cause you're obviously a long shot away from reality at this point.

Also d*pshit, if you insist that I only play those 'mainstream casual game' you assume that I play, I invite you to go through my account to see just exactly how many of these games I played. Cause, ironically, you seem to own and have played most of those games you considering ♥♥♥♥♥. Good on you, Captain Hypocrite.

/thread, you waste of breath.

[Ser Janitor]

Originally posted by Brother PaciFist:

Originally posted by Ser Janitor:

I would assume the majority of them is german. I am german myself. Most germans have very rigid minds, raised to have those, both institutionally and familial. Elex is a great example, the lack of polish and immersive qualities are easily overlooked because their rigid understanding of what an RPG should be meets the rigid design ideas of PB.

Germans are also notorious for having a very low yearning for comfort so broken controls and bad game design that leads to artificial difficulty but no actually enjoyable and well designed challenges and combat, a staple of PB games, wouldn't bother them much.

Also gaming publications in germany are corrupt and/or incompetent even compared to the general degenerated industry of game reviewing. But they have mass followings of the aforementioned zombie like young gamers. I don't think PB ever released a game where they didn't also buy their reviews.
ELEX got a 8.5 out of 10 score from Gamestar...the same rating they gave Prey for example :)))

this isn't exclusive to videogames of course, if you want to go down a rabbit hole you'll wish you hadn't, check out what is popular in germany among other forms of entertainment media

A long time that i heard so much insane racist garbage. Go home Germanhater. Germany is one of the most liberal countries in europe. 40% of all people living in germany are not even from german descendant.

Spout your racist slurs somewhere else.

As I said, I am german myself. I am not a racist in any way but in the way you suggest I just can't even wrap my head around, sorry! I just know germany because I have lived all my life here and I am not going to argue with you about this because judging by this juvenile outburst of yours I have lived here significantly longer than you.

I don't even understand what you are trying to say mentioning the number of non native germans in the population. Kind of proving my point for me, a rigid understanding of what I said, refugees welcome I guess??

[Brother PaciFist]

Originally posted by Ser Janitor:

Originally posted by Brother PaciFist:

A long time that i heard so much insane racist garbage. Go home Germanhater. Germany is one of the most liberal countries in europe. 40% of all people living in germany are not even from german descendant.

Spout your racist slurs somewhere else.

As I said, I am german myself. I am not a racist in any way but in the way you suggest I just can't even wrap my head around, sorry! I just know germany because I have lived all my life here and I am not going to argue with you about this because judging by this juvenile outburst of yours I have lived here significantly longer than you.

A real german would not make racist comments, especially about his own people. Germans are liberal, progressive open minded people. Especially in school where they are a minority in most cities. Only hateful, racist neonazis make comments like yours in germany.

[chakkman]

I totally agree with the OP. The game's shortcomings are apparent, also the logical failures in the story, and the lore. German games mags are the only ones giving 80's ratings, the rest of the world gives out 70's ratings. And i would say that is closer to the truth, as if Gamestar gives out a 85 % rating, even though they criticize many aspects of the game...

That said, the people liking shouldn't consider that a reason not to like the game. To each their own. I stopped playing it after a few hours, simply because i couldn't get into the middle age fantasy/sci-fi mix. Doesn't make sense to me that the leader of the middle age fraction resides in a futuristic luxurious hotel, and when you get out of the middle age, wood shed settlement, you see a rusty car, and middle age ruins alternate with modern observation stations... dunno, just not my cup of tea, and i found the fighting quite weak too.

[telamiina]

Originally posted by Turbo Nozomix:

Originally posted by telamiina:

ME1-3 innovating... It was all story. Game got dummer every time :(

Yeah.

A brief list of games series' that have featured less innovation than PB's games:

Mass Effect
Ubisoft's Far Cry games
Assassin's Creed (though Origins is looking quite different)
Bethesda's Fallouts
The Elder Scrolls since Morrowind
Bioshock

I guess squidface doesn't play any of those. Actually, I'm sure they do - they're just a hypocrite in doing so.

Played all of them.

Well not to mutch new in those series.
They get one hit and after that repeat the safe way. Business afterall.
Though Bioshock's last appearance was a joke. A tunnel run.
Far Cry series repeat their selling point. Saddly it has left it's serious tone after Africa. I will buy the new one at sale. Thei are just to gamy games. Like AC.

Seems some epople think getting games more strealined and easier is innovation. Less to actaully do stuff but get that awesome button.
I personally feel it is way to sell games to avarage sofaboys.

[Cooper]

Originally posted by Turbo Nozomix:

That person is a total moron. I can't believe the nonsensical nature of their response to simple information I gave them. And I could easily go into detail about how original PC developers like BioWare, Bethesda, DICE, Epic, and eventually even CryTek, as well as many, many others, all moved to consoles, and from then on only released PC games as console ports with greatly-reduced complexity in game design and traditional PC features compared to their pre-console games... but the person is straight-up obnoxious, expecting of entitlement, and unappreciative of the information they're given.

They act like I tried to trick them into believing some wild conspiracy, when all I did was state some of the history of PC gaming. And PC gaming was hugely saved first by Steam making PC digital distribution convenient for gamers, and attractive to publishers, since they could make a lot more money from it per sale than they were from retail store sales.

I do agree with you on this one. X-Rebirth is one of those nice examples of porting gone bad. I would also add, that turning their focus on consoles, good RTS games are rare these days. Total War is in its own class :). But it was the decision of the devs, to focus on other platform. No conspiracy there.

Back to PB/Bethesda issue. Well, as I read through the forums, many ppl seem to not take into consideration that there is Bethesda Softworks (publisher) and Bethesda Game Studios (devs) and lump them together. There were some ppl comparing sales and satisfaction of PB and Bethesda games. If you do this comparison, please, compare games developed and published time (like Risen vs. Fallout 3) and do not add published only to these (like Doom, Wolfenstein NO, NC in Bethesda's case). Bethesda for me killed classical Fallout gameplay I loved with F3 (story, complexity, gameplay etc.) and more over never made patch for multi-core CPUs. Always had to do the config.ini editing. And it still is buggy and ustable as hell....

Every dev has certain aproach to the game it develops, be it combat system, side / quests, markers, story, controls, hand made / generated items etc., and the players decide if they like that aproach or not. And one of those aproches is dealing with bugs / issues via patches in which I dare say Bethesda as a dev looses. I also dare to say that despite having more man power and capital on their side, Bethesda's developed games are in first few days/weeks extreamly problematic (based on forums) and to me seem half-a**ed in terms of animations or level/char design taking this into consideration (man power + capital). Moreover, there are DLCs they offer you to buy for high price despite, mostly but not every time, being worth only fraction of it. Here you get the whole game, where I hope pathes might add some more quests/locations for free, or in form free DLCs like Witcher 3, instead of payed DLC. If there will be some expansion, it would probably be like, again, Witcher 3 Blood and Wine.

Many compare visuals. Well F4 doesn't look all that much better than Fallout NW without HR Texture pack, right? And you must take into considerations, that almost all games are made to work on both PCs and consoles these days. You can see that in Elex where to me controls don't look to much PC user friendly (keyboard + mouse). Also ppl run consoles mostly on large HDR TVs, which is one of their main selling points, while some ppl, are ok with 22-30" HD monitor. I still run SyncMaster BX2250 and I am ok with it :). The game looks differently when you play it on large HDR TV, and sit meter or more from it, compared to PC single monitor from 1/2 meter. If there was purely a PC game it would even on mid-end rig kick rear of any multi-port / console only game anytime anywhere.

As for PB, I played Gothic back in the days and enjoyed it a lot, just like many other RPG games. That is why I got my copy of Elex. Yes, there will probably be things I will not agree with or will not like, but as I wrote above, every dev has their own aproach to make a game and it is up to the players to decide if they like it or not. Or get over certain problem and enjoy the game regardless. And if you are used to that devs style you are ok with it. But if the title gets sold/transfered to other dev or even just change of the aproach they had in previous titles, you might drop from playing any other game from the franchise. Why? Because the new/old dev had totaly different aproach while making the new title, but ppl from the player base used to original mechanics, control, story quality etc. might get angry and stop playing new games from that franchise or just will not like them. Commnad & Conquer or Mafia are one of the examples.

Conclusion? Either you like the game, get over some minor issues and keep playing it, since it has more strong points in your opinion. Or you will not get over the issues, stop playing the game and warn others about these problems. Remember girls and boys, each of us is different, we have different views on the world, politics, movies, food, games etc. So, to certain extend, we all should be considerate of other ppl opinions. So don't insult someone being a****le, idiot, dumb etc. just for him not liking what you like or having different opinion, ok? And for trolls, troll in the way ppl could have fun, and not be angry, mad or furious .

Before Bethesda fanies start to yell at me regarding my Fallout steam stats - I have my retail (box) copies I played several times. Especially, F1, 2 and Tactics. The Steam ones are from MiniNuke Anthology and I will sadly not buy any other Bethesda developed game, be it Fallout or TES series. I have TES Morrowind GOTY retail as well.

To PB/Elex supporters - I played only Gothic series and haven't played Elex yet (watched HD gameplay vids), since I have to deal with the retailer regarding my CE copy having some issues.

And for those calling me kid or such - I play games since 1995, I know there are even older players tha me out there, as such I hate games that lead you by the had all the time and brainless ones too. Well, except shooters to relieve stress with decent story behind them. ;)

[Aron Dalentor]

Holy hell what a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Myself, I've watched a bit of gameplay, reviews and decided to buy the game in the next 2 days, but shelve it and wait for maybe 1-2 weeks for some patches before I sink my teeth into this.

My point is it is clearly not an AAA open world shiny new blockbuster with plenty boring busywork like Mad Max, Arkham or Shadow of Mordor/War, its more like Skyrim, but man,
Skyrim
sucked
on release. I mean, BIG TIME. I mean Main quest was broken. Yeah. And ♥♥♥♥♥♥ dialogues. Horrible Bethesda certified animation. Out of this world balance. But I kinda liked it. And hated it at the same time for being praised pile of ♥♥♥♥ that I happened to enjoy barebone for 30 hours. Then i forgot about it. Until mods.

I look at ELEX and see it like Skyrim, but better here and there in terms of quality of content. 'Cause Bethesda can't in quality content. Almost everything in Skyrim feels like catchy filler that you have to "roleplay in your head". Boi, ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ companions have 1 fetch quest and about 10 lines of unique dialogue. And then you can marry some for paying 1000g or doing their little 5 min quest.

Now, do failings of Skyrim make ELEX 10/10 game? Certainly nope, it has its problems, most of them seem to be on technical side. But I see clearly that I will freakin enjoy this, and it deserves much more praise than Skyrim. Yeah. Peace.

[Ser Janitor]

Originally posted by Brother PaciFist:

Originally posted by Ser Janitor:

As I said, I am german myself. I am not a racist in any way but in the way you suggest I just can't even wrap my head around, sorry! I just know germany because I have lived all my life here and I am not going to argue with you about this because judging by this juvenile outburst of yours I have lived here significantly longer than you.

A real german would not make racist comments, especially about his own people. Germans are liberal, progressive open minded people. Especially in school where they are a minority in most cities. Only hateful, racist neonazis make comments like yours in germany.

A real german...how old are you? 12?

The quality of life here, all the liberties you enjoy today is what the generations before you achieved, you are just a leech, the worst kind, a self righteous one.

Please take your time growing up, maybe not all hope is lost. But boy does the future look grim indeed...The sooner you realize you are a vital part of the explanation for why we have Nazis in the Bundestag in 2017 again the sooner you might prove my original argument wrong. I really hope you do, I really doubt it too ;)

[Fedalar Gohzio Primus]

This is the first PB game i have played and I have almost zero complaints about the game. Infact most of the criticisims brought forward by critics I enjoy. I really enjoy the combat it's hard but when you master it it feels amazing. The super slow level and elex grind, i simply love to grind. I don't think the game looks bad at all and I play at 2k 60fps with no issues.

only animation that makes me laugh everytime is the falling animation. The storyline is great I am having so much fun forging my own path without there being some min max way for me to do it.

[Froggystyle]

Originally posted by Chashmodai:

Originally posted by Brother PaciFist:

You only have to walk once, when you have all the teleporter you can just freely move across the map, the loading times are really short. You can cross most obstacles with your jetpacks, run around monsters, the walking times are not that bad.

On my way there, a note came up on the screen saying something along the lines of "the death of ***** will change the story". I got to where the map marker showed this guy would be, and found him dead. 30 minutes of walking and jumping around wasted. I pressed ESC and quit the game as soon as I saw him.

Even if he did die, just reload the last save? Either that, or just keep playing. It'll change the story, but it doesn't break the game or anything.

[ZDuB]

Besides criticizing the graphics and animations which are subjective. State and detail what problems you are having and why.
Just saying the combat is clunky doesn't explain anything!