How to get mana potions ?

[Plom]

Hi, I would like to get something like 50 mana potions, but where could I get the ingredients ? The water bottle I can buy it easily, but the mana herb is really hard to find. I wanted to play using only magic, but without mana potion it's impossible...

[Master Master Blaster]

Originally posted by Plom:

Hi, I would like to get something like 50 mana potions, but where could I get the ingredients ? The water bottle I can buy it easily, but the mana herb is really hard to find. I wanted to play using only magic, but without mana potion it's impossible...

Only magic?50 potions?Guess your char is amultiple one.means if one tatic fails u use another.and mana is not an endless resource . in higher levels with much money u simply can buy potions when the thing is working.but before its hard work to do so.so afaik this game is a clone combining several genres with another.so why i feel set back to gothic when i read ur question.
Some tips:herbs can be found by the woods there are special areas to found some more if this running out try a trader hanging around in town village or whatever.furthermore brewing potions forurself is much cheaper than buying.last but not least think of using some real weapon instead of real magic cause..u need no amunition..only endurance(agro?).so letz cyber cyber here we go.cherio

[Arden]

There are a lot of herbs in Edan around the starting area and Goliet and in the green part of Abessa. The mobs are very easy to clear or just to ignore. Run around with glasses and you will find a ton of them.

[Plom]

I don't want to spend hours to gathers all plants for one potion, so buying the potions seems to be the best solution but it cost too much.

If I wanted to have a mixed build melee/magic then I would need a lot more skill points or I will be too weak, it's not a good idea early in the game.

It seem to be a very bad idea in this game to use magic only. Well, no problem, I will start a new save and use something else.

Thanks.

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Well, many of the abilities are just role-playing choices, especially if playing on the easier difficulty modes where Jax doesn't need to do excessive damage to kill enemies. Everything scales with Jax's skill ranks, magical damage included. You absolutely need either a high level or consume Elex potions in order to obtain enough attribute points for higher skill ranks.

Unless you play on the easier modes, without a second combat skill, it would be too resource intensive to kill enemies with just the magical fists. You would also need to be very selective about whether to fight and when to avoid fighting as to not waste mana for just a few XP per kill. To recover mana points by sleeping instead of using mana potions would be very tedious and tiresome. You can gain several levels just by exploring (extra XP for discovered regions) and talking (Sestak, particularly), and it is possible to join the berserkers early to unlock their abilities - but the magic related berserker abilities require increasing CON/INT/CUN, and to ignore the berserker abilities that help with melee/ranged combat would be a mistake indeeed.

[Plom]

I play on "normal" difficulty because "normal" is supposed to be the choice to do in any game to play as intented by the dev.

I can play using only melee, only plasma gun, only psi power, only bow... But I can't do that with magic. Why can I play using only psi powers ? Because some enemies can drop ingredients to make psi potion. How do you explain it's not the same with mana potion ?

If I can't play using only magic, then magic is unreliable, that's all, it's not a "mistake" that I wanted to build my stats focused on it. Why would I waste my points in con/int/cun + perk points in magic power and mana reserve, if in the end I play with melee/bow ? That's nonsense, it's better to focus on melee or bow then.

[v0]

ime special zerker skills're underwhelming but that's ok no need to design everything equally viable.

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Originally posted by Plom:

Why would I waste my points in con/int/cun + perk points in magic power and mana reserve, if in the end I play with melee/bow ?

You would do that, because that is what defines the Berserkers. They fight with medieval weapons and use a little bit of magic based on Mana. Strict role-players get all the options, such as ignoring flamethrowers and even ignoring Elex (and turning it into Mana instead of consuming it).

Originally posted by Plom:

That's nonsense, it's better to focus on melee or bow then.

Or both. Or both plus energy weapons like The Mortal Beam, which uses energy cells you can harvest from some enemies. Or all weapons, which are not faction-specific. Or a pure melee combat playthrough. You didn't expect berserker magic to be "better" or "overpowered" in anyway, did you?

Originally posted by Plom:

it's not a "mistake" that I wanted to build my stats focused on it.

It's meta-gaming with unpredictable outcome, if you expect to be provided with unlimited supplies of mana potions. Just because you can peek at the berserker abilities a long time before you can join them and learn their skills, is no reason to ignore melee/ranged combat skills, which are the bread and butter for Jax. You could see that there is no mana regeneration skill as in Gothic 3. You could see that there is only Blood Transfer to turn health points into mana points. Yet you expect to be able to do only berserker magic with a high dependency on mana potions/plants.

Anyway, some people say that the internal item name of the Berserker's Amulet gives a hint that it may have provided mana regeneration at some point of development of the game. It could be that it has been pulled and changed to give just +10 MP for balancing reasons.

[Plom]

Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:

You would do that, because that is what defines the Berserkers. They fight with medieval weapons and use a little bit of magic based on Mana. Strict role-players get all the options, such as ignoring flamethrowers and even ignoring Elex (and turning it into Mana instead of consuming it).

I played 80 hours and never seen a berserker using magick, appart from Caja, they all use melee and bow. Lore wise maybe it's what define them, but in reality not at all, they don't know a thing about magic.

Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:

Or both. Or both plus energy weapons like The Mortal Beam, which uses energy cells you can harvest from some enemies. Or all weapons, which are not faction-specific.

That's nonsense, you want to scatter all your skill points everywhere ? How many elex potion did you drink ?
The best flamethrower can only be acquired by joining the cleric, and using any melee weapon other than berserker while being with this faction mean you can't enchant it... using non-faction specific weapon is less efficient.

Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:

Or a pure melee combat playthrough. You didn't expect berserker magic to be "better" or "overpowered" in anyway, did you?

I did a pure melee playthrough, it's perfectly viable, not like magic. What's your point ?
Magic is not "better" or "overpowered", it's USELESS.

Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:

It's meta-gaming with unpredictable outcome, if you expect to be provided with unlimited supplies of mana potions. Just because you can peek at the berserker abilities a long time before you can join them and learn their skills, is no reason to ignore melee/ranged combat skills, which are the bread and butter for Jax. You could see that there is no mana regeneration skill as in Gothic 3. You could see that there is only Blood Transfer to turn health points into mana points. Yet you expect to be able to do only berserker magic with a high dependency on mana potions/plants.

I will absolutly 100% ignore magic if I'm playing melee or bow, because I will only focus my points on a single weapon at a time to be more efficient with it. If the magic need mana to be used and I can't have mana potion, then magic is useless, so I will not invest any point in it, it's simple.

Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:

Anyway, some people say that the internal item name of the Berserker's Amulet gives a hint that it may have provided mana regeneration at some point of development of the game. It could be that it has been pulled and changed to give just +10 MP for balancing reasons.

And yet, cleric have an amulet that give energy regen, while black hole is far stronger than a fireball. It's very bad balancing.

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Originally posted by Plom:

That's nonsens,

No, it isn't. Now what?

Originally posted by Plom:

you want to scatter all your skill points everywhere ? How many elex potion did you drink ?

I've played the game often enough to have tried a multitude of "builds" for Jax, with and without using Elex potions.

Originally posted by Plom:

The best flamethrower can only be acquired by joining the cleric, and using any melee weapon other than berserker while being with this faction mean you can't enchant it... using non-faction specific weapon is less efficient.

Well, not an issue, because no ranged weapon can be enchanted anyway. They can only be upgraded.

Originally posted by Plom:

I did a pure melee playthrough, it's perfectly viable, not like magic. What's your point ?
Magic is not "better" or "overpowered", it's USELESS.

The point is: Why did you wanted "to play using only magic"?

[Plom]

Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:

No, it isn't. Now what?

It is, now what ?

Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:

I've played the game often enough to have tried a multitude of "builds" for Jax, with and without using Elex potions.

If you scatter your skills points everywhere, you must be inefficient for a very long time, why doing that ? Even worse if you don't drink elex potions.

Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:

Well, not an issue, because no ranged weapon can be enchanted anyway. They can only be upgraded.

It is an issue for melee weapons. You said to use all weapons, what now ?

Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:

The point is: Why did you wanted "to play using only magic"?

Because Jax is obviously stronger by focusing on a single type of weapon/power, and because I want a different playtrough, I don't want to use the same weapon/power everytime I restart the game.

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Originally posted by Plom:

It is, now what ?

It isn't, because it is a perfectly viable option with and without consumption of Elex.

Originally posted by Plom:

If you scatter your skills points everywhere, you must be inefficient for a very long time, why doing that ?

Simply because different skill sets have different primary/secondary attributes as requirements, each skill rank requires higher attributes, and the cost per attribute point increases. Especially while not drinking Elex potions yet, you get more out of a level's attribute points, if you invest into cheap attribute increases. The return of investment is higher, if you unlock a variety of skills that aid Jax. If you want a major boost, like raising attributes above 61, consider using Elex potions - but it will cost a lot and will require Jax to invest into thievery and hunting skills first.

Originally posted by Plom:

It is an issue for melee weapons. You said to use all weapons, what now ?

Everyone can use any weapon. Weapons in ELEX are faction-independent. Weapon upgrades are faction-independent, too. Ranged weapons cannot be enchanted - no faction can do it.

Originally posted by Plom:

Because Jax is obviously stronger by focusing on a single type of weapon/power, and because I want a different playtrough, I don't want to use the same weapon/power everytime I restart the game.

People in this forum have played a faction-less Jax up to levels above 30 and even 40. There are three factions. Multiple optional faction abilities. Melee/ranged combat skills are faction-less. Weapon upgrades are faction-less. There are many optional weapon types. You don't need to use them all, but it is perfectly viable to do it.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1639323195

[Plom]

Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:

The return of investment is higher, if you unlock a variety of skills that aid Jax.

What skills ?

Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:

If you want a major boost, like raising attributes above 61, consider using Elex potions - but it will cost a lot and will require Jax to invest into thievery and hunting skills first.

Personaly i like to invest 1 point into Haggler, then into Chemistry, then 3/4 into the weapon i'm using, and finaly into Animal Trophies.
Because I can buy elex for cheaper with Haggler, and animal trophies is useless if I can't kill the enemy so I focus firstly on the weapon.

Pickpocket is not a good skill to invest into, 1 point is enough and you can get it free with an amulet. Lockpick I don't know where all the best chest are so I can't use it well.

Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:

Everyone can use any weapon. Weapons in ELEX are faction-independent. Weapon upgrades are faction-independent, too. Ranged weapons cannot be enchanted - no faction can do it.

You said to use any weapon, If someone use melee then he can't use any weapon, otherwise he can't enchant it, it's faction dependant.

And apart from enchantments, bows are extremely less efficient if you are not with the berserker. War bow III is the best bow in the game, you can't use scatter shot if you are not with the berserker.

Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:

People in this forum have played a faction-less Jax up to levels above 30 and even 40. There are three factions. Multiple optional faction abilities. Melee/ranged combat skills are faction-less. Weapon upgrades are faction-less. There are many optional weapon types. You don't need to use them all, but it is perfectly viable to do it.

Using all weapons in a single playtrough without belonging in any faction is not efficient. Yes you may kill some swamp creatures or even weak raptor, but what about the cyber-cyclop in the south of the Fort ?

[D'amarr from Darshiva]

Originally posted by Plom:

What skills ?

Many from the Combat/Survival/Crafting/Personality trees are useful while Jax explores the world.

Originally posted by Plom:

You said to use any weapon, If someone use melee then he can't use any weapon, otherwise he can't enchant it, it's faction dependant.

Anyone can use and upgrade any upgradable weapon. And yes, you lose a faction-specific enchantment when upgrading a weapon, but there is absolutely no need to discontinue using it then. Especially not on Normal mode. Of course you can also choose a weapon you can enchant, but that isn't a strict requirement. You make it sound as if socketed weapon is useless, if you put only small gemstones into it.
--> https://game-maps.com/ELEX/ELEX-Weapons.asp

Originally posted by Plom:

And apart from enchantments, bows are extremely less efficient if you are not with the berserker. War bow III is the best bow in the game, you can't use scatter shot if you are not with the berserker.

And? You are free to join the berserkers, if you want to use bows and the berserker's bow skills.

Originally posted by Plom:

Using all weapons in a single playtrough without belonging in any faction is not efficient. Yes you may kill some swamp creatures or even weak raptor, but what about the cyber-cyclop in the south of the Fort ?

Been there, done that.

[Average Juice Enjoyer]

Originally posted by Plom:

Hi, I would like to get something like 50 mana potions, but where could I get the ingredients ? The water bottle I can buy it easily, but the mana herb is really hard to find. I wanted to play using only magic, but without mana potion it's impossible...

Hey, not sure if it is what you are looking for. However i downloaded a save game from NexusMods that vastly increases your base mana and gives you 300 starting potions. I have played 10 hours using only magic :) I can link if you like, its also character specific so it doesn't change your other characters

[Plom]

Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:

Many from the Combat/Survival/Crafting/Personality trees are useful while Jax explores the world.

This doesn't answer the question...

Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:

And? You are free to join the berserkers, if you want to use bows and the berserker's bow skills.

You said weapons in this game are faction-independant, while the best power of a bow is only used while being with the berserkers. (side note : Phantom String is less good than Warbow III).

Also, try to use a shotgun without being with the outlaws and tell me you can use all the amunitions. You can only buy one type of amunition, the rest is faction-dependant.

So there's a lot of power you are missing if you are not in a faction.

Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:

Been there, done that.

You said "people in this forum", so you don't speak about your self experience, now why are you saying you "done that" ? Did you really done that ?

Yes it's viable because you can be strong enough if you play 100 hours and/or drink elex potions, but there's no way I'd call that efficient. Appart from your stats that are scattered (maybe for good reasons), there's also your skills points and your money. You want to be stronger ? Focus on a weapon, upgrade it, upgrade the according stats and skill. You can progress much faster this way because you are able to do any quest earlier, including difficults fights, or random battles with any monster on the road.

I agree that beside fightings skills, there's others that can be really good to invest, like chemistry, Haggler, Animal Trophies (if you are strong enough)... Some are really useless, like Friend of Beasts, Advocate, Goldsmith, Pickpocket... That's why I asked you which skills you are using, maybe there's something I could learn from your answer but you didn't give the names of the skills you are using.