ELEX
Lord Quinton Oct 3, 2019 @ 12:10am
can you finish the game without joining any of the factions?
as above, I can't bring myself join any of the factions. Its almost as if the devs went out of their way to make each complete and utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. The outlaws are of course the scum of the earth, the berserkers are hypocrites who happily send people to their deaths (banishment) for even the slightest infraction, and the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ clerics are mind raping people! Maybe the albs have it right, lets kill everyone and try again.

Every time i think the story can't possibly get any worse, it finds new ways to dig deeper. I ran into ray and instead of running the piece of ♥♥♥♥ through i'm forced to agree to help him in his quests. Then i met rat, and instead of running that piece of ♥♥♥♥ through the game forces me to agree to help him in his quests. theres Abessa and the clerics not so subtly trying to take over the one neutral city, and it appears your only options are to help the outlaws destroy the city, or the clerics take it over. Theres the berserker warlords who are, on the whole, about as enjoyable as a root canal. And 90% of the population of magalan are racist asshats who are just looking for a chance to lynch someone from another faction, and the remaining 10% are too busy being abused by their own people to think about being racists.

I'm seriously thinking the theme of this whole game is not a choice between good, neutral, or evil, instead, a giant bag of ♥♥♥♥♥ is going to rule the world, and you get to pick what flavor of ♥♥♥♥♥ they are.
Originally posted by Varuun:
Short answer: No, you have to join a faction.
BUT
...the main story has Jax realize that all factions have shortcomings and need to overcome them if they are to win against the Albs. Origin, a small town which functions as the Jax's base, has former members from all factions as its residents. So in a sense, you only join a faction to survive and don't follow its rules fanatically.
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fracs Oct 3, 2019 @ 12:34am 
Originally posted by Lord Quinton:
as above, I can't bring myself join any of the factions. Its almost as if the devs went out of their way to make each complete and utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥s. The outlaws are of course the scum of the earth, the berserkers are hypocrites who happily send people to their deaths (banishment) for even the slightest infraction, and the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ clerics are mind ♥♥♥♥♥♥ people! Maybe the albs have it right, lets kill everyone and try again.

Every time i think the story can't possibly get any worse, it finds new ways to dig deeper. I ran into ray and instead of running the piece of ♥♥♥♥ through i'm forced to agree to help him in his quests. Then i met rat, and instead of running that piece of ♥♥♥♥ through the game forces me to agree to help him in his quests. theres Abessa and the clerics not so subtly trying to take over the one neutral city, and it appears your only options are to help the outlaws destroy the city, or the clerics take it over. Theres the berserker warlords who are, on the whole, about as enjoyable as a root canal. And 90% of the population of magalan are racist asshats who are just looking for a chance to lynch someone from another faction, and the remaining 10% are too busy being abused by their own people to think about being racists.

I'm seriously thinking the theme of this whole game is not a choice between good, neutral, or evil, instead, a giant bag of ♥♥♥♥♥ is going to rule the world, and you get to pick what flavor of ♥♥♥♥♥ they are.
no you cant. You can also join clerics and then there will be an dialog option to tell them that you joined them only because of their tech haha))
Last edited by fracs; Oct 3, 2019 @ 12:34am
Originally posted by Lord Quinton:
Its almost as if the devs went out of their way to make each complete and utter ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥s.
Not according to Jax, a former Alb Commander.

Originally posted by Lord Quinton:
I ran into ray and instead of running the piece of ♥♥♥♥ through i'm forced to agree to help him in his quests.
Keep in mind that you are not playing yourself, but only get opportunities to influence Jax's decisions. Jax is searching for potential allies, so he doesn't mindlessly slaughter Ray - that would not make any sense.

Originally posted by Lord Quinton:
Then i met rat, and instead of running that piece of ♥♥♥♥ through the game forces me to agree to help him in his quests.
How does it force you?

Originally posted by Lord Quinton:
theres Abessa and the clerics not so subtly trying to take over the one neutral city, and it appears your only options are to help the outlaws destroy the city, or the clerics take it over.
It's not a "neutral city". Clearly you've noticed that the clerics are in control already before Jax visits it for the first time. Yet the Domed City only illustrates the problems among the factions of Magalan. They just don't get along with eachother. So, all that is left with regard to the Domed City is to influence its fate a bit. Jax doesn't want the outlaws to destroy the city, but may want to help them flee if the Albs attack.

Originally posted by Lord Quinton:
I'm seriously thinking the theme of this whole game is not a choice between good, neutral, or evil,
It isn't advertized as such. Why do you bring up "good, neutral, evil"?
Brakxel Oct 4, 2019 @ 4:48am 
Originally posted by Lord Quinton:
I'm seriously thinking the theme of this whole game is not a choice between good, neutral, or evil, instead, a giant bag of ♥♥♥♥♥ is going to rule the world, and you get to pick what flavor of ♥♥♥♥♥ they are.

The game is too much like real life. I understand your frustration.
Lord Quinton Oct 5, 2019 @ 1:46am 
Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:

Originally posted by Lord Quinton:
I ran into ray and instead of running the piece of ♥♥♥♥ through i'm forced to agree to help him in his quests.
Keep in mind that you are not playing yourself, but only get opportunities to influence Jax's decisions. Jax is searching for potential allies, so he doesn't mindlessly slaughter Ray - that would not make any sense.

killing ray would make perfect sense. You are angry over the loss of your gear and being left for dead, Ray had to take the armor off of you, theres no way he wouldn't have noticed that you were still alive and needed help, he intentionally left you so you would die. At no point in the first meeting with ray does he act apologetic, he might have said it, but he immediately tried to redirect to how he had problems and nothing was his fault. Ray refuses to divulge who he sold your armor to, and the game does not give you an option to just cut him down, instead your only options are to agree with ray.

Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:
Originally posted by Lord Quinton:
Then i met rat, and instead of running that piece of ♥♥♥♥ through the game forces me to agree to help him in his quests.
How does it force you?
after rat betrays you during the mission to get chloe to pay the duke what she owes you, you get an option to attack rat, after beating him up, instead of killing him, he's only stunned, and then he gets up and spins an utterly implausible tle about how he's going to find out the truth and leaves. You have no option but to agree to work with him.

Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:
Originally posted by Lord Quinton:
theres Abessa and the clerics not so subtly trying to take over the one neutral city, and it appears your only options are to help the outlaws destroy the city, or the clerics take it over.
It's not a "neutral city". Clearly you've noticed that the clerics are in control already before Jax visits it for the first time. Yet the Domed City only illustrates the problems among the factions of Magalan. They just don't get along with eachother. So, all that is left with regard to the Domed City is to influence its fate a bit. Jax doesn't want the outlaws to destroy the city, but may want to help them flee if the Albs attack.

The great council of magalan set out a charter for the domed city abessa. It was to be a free city under its own control where anyone could live, provided they accept that anybody of any faction could live there with them. The clerics were tasked with protecting the city. This happened 100 years ago, its clear that the city has been running fine until recently, and now the clerics are trying to take control of it, partially because they don't like the outlaws or the separatists. the outlaws want to destroy it to keep them from getting control and there are a few people who are making trouble for everyone, which you have an option of dealing with or siding with.

Originally posted by D'amarr from Darshiva:
Originally posted by Lord Quinton:
I'm seriously thinking the theme of this whole game is not a choice between good, neutral, or evil,
It isn't advertized as such. Why do you bring up "good, neutral, evil"?

every game i've played that had a series of factions has always made a clear distinction between the ones working for the betterment of everyone (the good guys), the group that wanted to balance everything out instead of defeat the villains(the neutral guys), or the group that was out for its own power and was more than willing to destroy anyone or anything in its way (the bad guys).

In elex, the 3 factions you can join all fall under the "bad guy" heading. None of them want to work with the others to build a better world, they want to destroy the others. I should mention the clerics want to work with the others, but only after they mind rape them into obedience. Abessa would have made an awesome fourth faction that you could join, one that you could get a coalition of the other 3 alliances to work together to defeat the albs, but its relegated to a few missions mostly giving even more demonstrations on how each faction are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
Originally posted by Lord Quinton:
killing ray would make perfect sense. You are angry over the loss of your gear and being left for dead,
Once more: In ELEX, you don't role-play yourself with full freedom switchbag style choices that cover every thought a role-player might come up with, but you only get opportunities to influence some of Jax's actions in 3rd person style.

And yeah, the tone of that encounter with Ray is set by the beginning of the cutscene. Jax, with Elex gone from his body after weeks of lying in a comatose state at the bottom of the cliff, shows human emotions and is angry indeed, puts his weapons at Ray's throat, but listens to reason and doesn't act like a killer. Rediscovering his human side, he doesn't cast away all logic, and he doesn't overestimate himself either. If he wanted, he could kill Ray later anyway, but letting him live for now increases the odds that he might get back his Alb equipment.

Originally posted by Lord Quinton:
Ray had to take the armor off of you, theres no way he wouldn't have noticed that you were still alive and needed help, he intentionally left you so you would die.
Nobody would have helped a dying Alb Commander anyway. In the intro cinematics you can observe that Jax doesn't wake up while Ray takes armor and equipment from Jax, but only later and then passes out again immediately. A coincidence. Nothing is known, btw, about how long it took Ray to find the crash site.

Originally posted by Lord Quinton:
after rat betrays you during the mission to get chloe to pay the duke what she owes you, you get an option to attack rat, after beating him up, instead of killing him, he's only stunned, and then he gets up and spins an utterly implausible tle about how he's going to find out the truth and leaves. You have no option but to agree to work with him.
So, you discover that you like killing people and that beating them up in a duel isn't enough for you. Great. The original question remains unanswered, since nothing forces you, as PLAYER, to let Jax work for Rat.

This is not the only game where some NPCs are protected for one reason or another. The devs could have solved it differently, with a cutscene as in other games that shows how Rat outsmarts Jax and either flees or disarms him and kills him instead. Game over in the case.

Originally posted by Lord Quinton:
The great council of magalan set out a charter for the domed city abessa. It was to be a free city under its own control where anyone could live, provided they accept that anybody of any faction could live there with them. The clerics were tasked with protecting the city. This happened 100 years ago,
Its original state is irrelevant at this point of time, and you learn that while trying to get in and while talking to people within the city. Gameplay takes place 160 years after the impact of the comet. The factions have been fighting eachother for decades and due to that are at the verge of being defeated by the Albs. No other faction (Jax and The Claws included) shows stronger interest in the city than the clerics and the Albs, so whatever you have in mind as PLAYER, is out of question.

Originally posted by Lord Quinton:
its clear that the city has been running fine until recently, and now the clerics are trying to take control of it, partially because they don't like the outlaws or the separatists. the outlaws want to destroy it to keep them from getting control and there are a few people who are making trouble for everyone, which you have an option of dealing with or siding with.
And that is the foundation of the options available to Jax. Btw, he uses the citizens as tools in order to reach his personal goals.

Originally posted by Lord Quinton:
In elex, the 3 factions you can join all fall under the "bad guy" heading. None of them want to work with the others to build a better world, they want to destroy the others.
They are humans afterall.
Last edited by D'amarr from Darshiva; Oct 5, 2019 @ 4:20am
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Varuun Oct 5, 2019 @ 8:05am 
Short answer: No, you have to join a faction.
BUT
...the main story has Jax realize that all factions have shortcomings and need to overcome them if they are to win against the Albs. Origin, a small town which functions as the Jax's base, has former members from all factions as its residents. So in a sense, you only join a faction to survive and don't follow its rules fanatically.
TrueSpot Nov 16, 2021 @ 7:49pm 
OP (original posting/the person who made the original post. Any others please keep your comments to yourself because this is not for you and anything you say will fall on deaf/apathetic ears..) I totally feel you bro! I don't want to join anyone either for multiple reasons. Each faction is its own special shiny turd, there's absolutely nothing special that I would want to be a part of nor would I want my main character to be part of.(based off of how his own people/father treated him.) And in my opinion it's complete BS that you don't get the neutral option and ensure that the free people instead of a faction gain control... It almost makes me want to play New Vegas instead just so I can have that kind of option... Elex 2 better have that kind of an option for those who choose to play that route because every opportunity to take that route has been posed to you in the original Elex even to the point where your companions question why you even choose a faction at all... I truly feel your frustration on this choice bro...!!
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Date Posted: Oct 3, 2019 @ 12:10am
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