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I'm about to finish my third playthrough and I killed him 3 times. The way the situation is presented to us there is no other logical choice.
1) Duras murdered Askor. Even when done in self defence, it does not necessarily make him innocent and whether his actions were adequate in terms of danger to his life is up for debate - but that's how it goes in real life.
2) Duras could tell the truth right away. There was a dead Seedling, a body. There would probably be no serious reprecussions if he admitted it to Ragnar right away. Hell, maybe even not right away, but at the point when he was assigned to investigate. He could be elixed, for example, but then Duras is just evading responsibility for his actions. This fact is stressed both by Jax and Ragnar and is one of they key reasons he deserves punishment.
3) Duras basically exploits Jax to pin his crime on somebody else. He basically brings Jax to Goliet with this goal in mind. He is willing to frame Barin not because he lacks an alibi, but because he was a witness to Askor's murder and "blackmailed" Duras. Duras doesn't care for anything but saving his hide and his Warrior position in Goliet, willing to do anything to that end. This makes him similar to a certain Alb who sacrificed Jax to save his position at the Ice Palace. This goes to show Duras is as lacking in morals and emotions department as Albs are.
4) If you still feel like you have any other option but reporting him, let me put it this way. He is not that useful to you as a companion. He is a competent fighter, yes, but it's not like Caja or Nasty or Arx who you can get from the first levels (unlike Duras) can't replace him. If you're going Cleric, One man army is even more beneficial as the companions are still not really useful even post patch. Origin attack is that stage of the story when you should already be the most powerful being on Magalan, able to defend it on your own. So it you develop right, Duras' value for Origin defence or even the final battle is too small.
5) Don't get me wrong, I was too sort of undecided for like a minute during my first playthrough. But then #3 came to mind - Duras will do anything to save his hide. Sending Jax to pick "proof" he says not to open it, under danger to his life. When Jax reports Duras, he says he should have killed him at the mountain. Then he attacks him. This shows two facts - that he is willing to commit a murder to cover up his other murder, and that losing his position in Goliet is worth than death to him.
Therefore, Duras is not "noble", "brave" and other things loading screens tend to show about him. He's a coward, a liar, thinks only about himself and lacks any moral principles. Therefore there is a good reason not to trust his "self defence" version, as well as being "blackmailed" by Barin. And there is also a good reason for reporting him - you get 1000 Elexit for that, and 500 more for doing Duras in. So much money in the beginning of the game, and for doing the right thing, while generally you're paid high only for shady and morally questionable jobs. What's not to love?
What I also love about this game is how it delivers its quest experience, creating the atmosphere needed, sounds, music. When you uncover Duras is the murdeder the game does its best to get emotions out of you. It does the same thing when you discover Rat taking over Blake's. Quests of Elex are definitely as good as ones of Gothic 2, they're an experience to remember.
Later in the game, respawn is crazy. After beating it and being level 40+, there are huge trolls and mutants everywhere. I get jumped when I teleport to some places.
Or do you want you revenge?
I made him work for me for the village of the center, then finished his quest and did to him what he did to me. Only a bit more professional. You get back what you give and PB can call them alive because they gave me the way to do what must be done to traitors that geet you with fists!
For NPC I killed:
- I killed guy at main door of fort in desert. Obviously the designers expected irritate some players because I got some extra dialog options to have done it, didn't tried them yet.
- Otherwise, for the companion with death contracts on his head, other NPC involved always get killed but one that accepted a reasonable fee. The game already highlighted it would have consequence for the death of some of them.
For Duras:
Ok Duras tries trick main character, but it's not relative to main character himself, it's just lie and try make someone else accuse. If he had try make accuse main character that would have been different. With no real proof for main character he admits the lie and the evil attempt to make accuse someone else.
I understand Duras because:
- Duras is obviously right that with context he will most probably be condemned guilty when he isn't, and it's a harsh world so it's not a detail to be banished.
- Also the guy he tried make accuse was trying Blackmail Duras, I can understand Duras has no piety for him even if it's unproportionate.
So for me it's a difficult case, no side are obviously right, and no way Duras tried hurt main character. Now to tell the truth I wanted a companion for combats so I was ready to close eyes for a lot of things.
Right now:
- He adulates main character and he is from far the companion that appreciate the most main character.
- He is the most faithful.
- He is overall the most efficient to bring in combats.
- Moreover it favor good actions and I appreciate,
- But also he won't be picky when main character makes more difficult choices (read less legal or not with clear morale). And that's cool to not have a sermon/morale provider on my back.
I saved him and my choice was questionable, but not save him is as much questionable.
In term of grinding and profit, the decision I did is from far the best, in term of morale it's complex and I live with it. :-)
I had no problem exposing him as a murder.... and then running away because killim him at level 9 was pretty much impossible. :)
Thats what he got for being such a douchebag.
All difficulty about this case is deciding what's harder for you to live with: blowing a whistle on a murderer who probably doesn't deserve the harsh kind of justice that is normal for Goliet OR not doing so, essentially covering up the murder and becoming Duras' accomplice, probably framing an innocent person in the process.
In the end I reported him chiefly because there was no way I could trust Duras. He cares about himself and about himself only. He will do ANYTHING if it goes with his interests. He is a liability as a companion as he can't be counted on to do something for Jax or the Free People. The guy only cares about himself.
Hell, even the outlaw Ray deserves the "brave" and "honorable" more than Duras. 'Nuff said.
He really care about others, and help newbie player character is that, affirm that he used such weakling is non sense, but more you as a player seeing your character as an amazing hero, but no way your character is that in first parts of the game. First point wrong in those comments.
Second point is Duras not faithful because of lying you. The problem is this happens before you have a long companion relationship with him. He has no real reason to make you his confident, it's no way a treatise from a long term friendly relationship. Second point wrong in your comments.
Third point is Duras not faithful because he can lie to a foreigner quickly know and relatively newbie in Duras community. Lol, tell me that your character didn't lie a lot, for sure for good reasons, but Im' pretty sure most players lied a lot in comparable context that what Duras does, and still consider their character should be considered faithful. So it's a good point against Duras but I doubt it matches with reality of most players. Both in real world and in game world.
Finally no you aren't forced to make accuse an half innocent practicing blackmail, it's pretty clear when you have to do the choice. Otherwise I think I would have give up save Duras from justice.
Now Im' not saying it's an easy decision, just that this decision isn't about Duras faithful or not with the player character.
That's when Duras panicked and had to think of a new way to put this case to rest again. So he made up a list of suspects of people who were innocent and had alibi so the case would be a wild goose chase witch in the end would close the case as unsolvable (not to make others take the fall for Askor's but to make it, well unsolvable). But Duras diden't know Jax was too good with this sort of thing and was able to solve the entire case and get Duras to confess everything. Then I went to Ragnar and told him what Ragnar wanted to hear (Becuase it was the right thing to do). If Duras had left the body as it was and went to Ragnar and confessed to Ragnar about what happend and the body would have confirmed Duras story. Duras woulden't be remmbered as a murder, but he still would have been exiled becuase Duras struck down a fellow Berserker without a Warlords permission.
And have any of you been thinking why Duras travels alone in the wilderness, and not with other Berserkers. Its becuase he is ashamed for what had happened with Askor, and punishing himself everyday. Hopeing he help enogh people and then die alone against the beast of Magalan but all that changed when he met Jax. He willling to go anywhere with Jax and fight against any beast with Jax. A Band of Brothers.
Its abit strange when you first meet Duras, He has an axe during the Cenematics and then it turns in to a sword. I quess the devs forgot about that when finishing the game.
Ray? well he is a good guy too, even if he is an ass sometimes and need a good kicking.
But yes in the real world people would see it as murder is murder even if it was Self Defence. Its not becuase its the right thing to do, its becuase if they let the person go free. People would get the idea that it is ok to murder people as they please. it would encourage people to do like, "Ok if he can go free then I can go kill my neighbor becuase I hate him, don't know why but I hate him and then I say it was in Self Defence" (yes, there are some people who think in that way no matter where they come from and its beacuse we are waaay too many people on this planet). It would only lead to panic and chaos so thats why they have to send the person in question to jail regardless if it was in self defence or not.