Force move keybind?

[X Knyght]

Anyway to add an option to keybind to move your character to the mouse cursor?

It's standard nowadays in ARPGs instead of holding down the left-click all the time.

[Dorok]

I don't see the option in game options. It's a different Diablo like, it has an active pause system, I'm not sure the play style, moving constantly and attacking constantly will fit. There's a demo you should try.

[Pickle Bath]

No there isn't a button for it, and I really wish there was.

So +1 on this feature request. Definitely makes the game feel more dated than even the graphics when standard 2016 mechanics aren't used.

[Dorok]

It's no standard 2016 mechanism, it's just a control option I doubt majority use it. Modern controls for this game genre is any skill and attack with key, mouse just setup the direction or the target.

[Pickle Bath]

Originally posted by Dorok:

It's no standard 2016 mechanism, it's just a control option I doubt majority use it. Modern controls for this game genre is any skill and attack with key, mouse just setup the direction or the target.

Okay, well, I disagree, and I think your views and ideas are outdated in general.

Force move is standard and used heavily in most top down games (ARPGs, but also many mobas), especially at a high level or in the hardcore (as in permadeath) scene where not being able to move can spell death.

[Dorok]

Well Im' surely a lot older than you so there's a good chance you are right. But this isn't an argument it's a pure affirmation.

So you explain from what come your arguing, moba players that want similar controls in Diablo like.

The problem is Moba don't come at all from Diablo like and don't have at all a design matching Diablo like evolution.

Diablo like evolution is clearly on more skills not a tiny set like in Moba. It is also clearly on more dynamic skills involving movements that is they are going major for movements. You didn't try play with savage strike but you should to see how skill can be a lot more important for constant mobility than movement.

Have a free hand to trigger among a bigger pool of skill with many providing a major set of mobility looks a good option to me.

Mouse for movements and keyboard for skills looks to me also cleaner than some merge.

[Pickle Bath]

Yeah you really, REALLY focused on me saying Moba. Did that trigger you? I do know you're older than me, you're probably the oldest dude on this forum.

Force move is standard in ARPG games, period. That's common knowledge that you don't seem to possess. D3, PoE, TL2, GD are the big recent ones to feature it.

Really not sure why the dev just adding a re-bindable second key to move is such a big deal or discussion.

[X Knyght]

I tried the demo and noticed there wasn't an option for it.

It seems (to me) like a small request that should be easy to implement.

I just hope the developer will patch it in somehow.

[Dorok]

The discussion was about new standard controls, not about having the option which makes sense. :-)

Modern for video games isn't anymore target younger. An unavoidable evolution is player population becoming older and older in average.

For moba you used it as an example and I don't think it's a good example, I explained why.

Well ok this control option could become a sort of standard option, I didn't even quoted it was in TL2 and for D3 they tried offer any possible options.

But in my opinion the real important modern controls options are :
- 1 key or button = 1 skill trigger in direction of mouse position.
- Not force the don't move modifier key, allows standard attack behaves like a skill
- Favor skills design with direction instead of target when possible.
- Design skills merging movements and actions and dynamics effects on enemies/environment.
- Design classes for more action skills, D3 approach is totally lame and outdated at birth.

The increased focus on more skills and higher importance of skills for action dynamics will naturally make outdated moving with a key. And this evolution is unavoidable because the action gameplay is a lot more fun with it. That's why move with a key is past not future.

But this arguing doesn't counter anything about requesting this control option, it's a bad control choice but it's fine offer it to players that want try play Diablo like like Moba. :-P

Originally posted by X Knyght:

It seems (to me) like a small request that should be easy to implement.

TL2 with a much bigger budget never implemented an option to freely bind any mouse button to any action you want like standard attack, and never implemented any option allowing not use the modifier key to not move with long range standard attack.

Such stuff could be easy or not, you can't know without have seen the code.

[RobDeLaMorte]

>> I have never played any action RPG that moved with your mouse instead of clicking the mouse.

[X Knyght]

Originally posted by RobDeLaMorte:

>> I have never played any action RPG that moved with your mouse instead of clicking the mouse.

A lot of modern ARPG games (D3, TL2, PoE, Grim Dawn, etc.) has this option in the keybinds.

Besides being a quality of life function of not having to hold down the left-mouse button to move; it also helps when there is a bunch of loot on the ground and you don't want to accidentally click on it, especially in the middle of battle.

[Soldak Entertainment]

I've never used such an option. I'll load up some of the games mention and check it out.

[Pickle Bath]

Originally posted by Soldak Entertainment:

I've never used such an option. I'll load up some of the games mention and check it out.

Yeah I knew you kept pretty game-agnostic in terms of what other rpgs are doing.

Generally the idea is left click normally handles both move and attack contextually. But sometimes you just want to move with 100% guarantee, even if you're clicking on a monster or dropped item. That's where "force move" comes in, basically adding an alternate key that moves the character to the desired spot regardless of what is under the mouse cursor.
Great for getting out of thick and heavy melee combats or dodging a critical spell.

[Dorok]

Force move shouldn't be forced to a key, I think Diablo 3 did it right, there's a control for it named more simply... move, and you bind it to what you want including left click if you want.

[Dorok]

Originally posted by Obviously Unsound:

Originally posted by Soldak Entertainment:

I've never used such an option. I'll load up some of the games mention and check it out.

Yeah I knew you kept pretty game-agnostic in terms of what other rpgs are doing.

Rude, I played most Diablo like and never used such option. Im' pretty sure dev is professional and then played many game of the genre.

[Pickle Bath]

Originally posted by Dorok:

Originally posted by Obviously Unsound:

Yeah I knew you kept pretty game-agnostic in terms of what other rpgs are doing.

Rude, I played most Diablo like and never used such option. Im' pretty sure dev is professional and then played many game of the genre.

I think I read on the main Soldak blog a while back that he tries to not play other games in the same genre so that he doesn't draw or copy from there. I wasn't trying to be condescending, instead accommodating.

So yet again you're making a personal attack where there isn't one Dorok. Just relax and give it a rest please.