What's The Strongest Skill In The Game?

[Jaxi]

As in, if casted, what which would do the most damage? (not counting gear nor resistances)
Some say Nightserver, what do you guys say?

[Bomb Bloke]

Originally posted by XxGOTHxX:

Ok done with the damage comparing on the same playing field on the same Prinny target. Same 3 SRS + unleveled Yoshi and unleveled Apocalypse. Weapon masteries at 20 and skills at lvl 0.

Ok, cool. Now alter atk by some notable amount (keeping all other variables equal) and repeat.

[XxGOTHxX]

Originally posted by Bomb Bloke:

Ok, cool. Now alter atk by some notable amount (keeping all other variables equal) and repeat.

If ppl are really interessted, i have to finish Etna Mode via Baal exit fast and get a new Apocalypse with 12 Slots from DHM and then I needa perfect lvl it to 100 so i can compare it to my lvl 100 Yoshi which had the perfect treatment. The other problem is I needa steal a 12 slotted rarity 2 to be more specific, to get the 4 same rarity number bonus to go along with my Yoshi XD

Edit: Screw that, gonna lvl that 11 slotted one right now to 100 and test it again :D FOR SCIENCE!

[XxGOTHxX]

And now I'm done :D here are the comparsions between those skills with a max lvl weapon.

The equipment was the same on both hits, weapon masteries at lvl 20 and skill lvl at 0. Both weapons were lvl 100 and the different char attack values are listed in the screenshot caption.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=642711496

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=642712291

[Bomb Bloke]

Righto, so going off all that it looks like Calamity Drive is the stronger of the two, and the gap is likely to widen if you increase the power you put into it.

[XxGOTHxX]

Yep pretty much, only thing where I would be able to sqeeze some more atk in would be with transmigrations and throwing all points on attack and getting a 12 slot one with same rarity as the 3 SRS, next to more gladiators.

Next thing to calculate would be the armor shred, if its on Calamity Drive too. Doubt the shred would have made a difference on the 2 Def Prinny lol

The main difference is: Sword gives AoE, while Axe is straight up single target damage. So in the long run sword will be more flexible and axe will require supportive AoE clear skills like close combat magic while using the axe.

But based on this it will be easier to achieve the 10m damage achievement going straight up axe, and the Apocalypse is easier available than a Yoshi, considering u can steal it in DHM fight 4 or 5.

[HarleyM]

Keep in mind that relying on Thursday locks you out of Etna mode (which also has the best grinding spot in the game). Magic is nice, but it also nerfs your ability to counter effectively.

Originally posted by Jaxi:

Right now I think Thursday is actually the strongest character in the game. o.O
150% apt in ATK would beat a maxed yoshi user, even if they were a majin.
The only thing i'm worried about is Nightserver vs Thursday's skills.
Here's the source-- http://www.ign.com/faqs/2003/disgaea-ds-item-faq-452347
Just press CTRL+F and type <A>

Careful with this source. First of all, there is a hardcap for stats at 20,000,000, so Thursday's higher attack potential isn't actually all *that*seful (though it would allow you to get more stats close to cap, and makes the cap easier to hit). Second of all, it isn't *possible* to steal a 13 slot item, although a 12 slot item does end up with 16 slots. Third of all, beyond being painfully slow, stat stealing has a 64k cap.

[jfinney66]

For me, early game its definately Bullet Storm, I have the most powerful handgun in the world and my scout knows how to use it

[Jaxi]

Originally posted by HarleyM:

Keep in mind that relying on Thursday locks you out of Etna mode (which also has the best grinding spot in the game). Magic is nice, but it also nerfs your ability to counter effectively.

Originally posted by Jaxi:

Right now I think Thursday is actually the strongest character in the game. o.O
150% apt in ATK would beat a maxed yoshi user, even if they were a majin.
The only thing i'm worried about is Nightserver vs Thursday's skills.
Here's the source-- http://www.ign.com/faqs/2003/disgaea-ds-item-faq-452347
Just press CTRL+F and type <A>

Careful with this source. First of all, there is a hardcap for stats at 20,000,000, so Thursday's higher attack potential isn't actually all *that*seful (though it would allow you to get more stats close to cap, and makes the cap easier to hit). Second of all, it isn't *possible* to steal a 13 slot item, although a 12 slot item does end up with 16 slots. Third of all, beyond being painfully slow, stat stealing has a 64k cap.

Wait, Thursday isn't in Etna mode? O_O

[Bomb Bloke]

Most regular story characters aren't.

[XxGOTHxX]

You more or less only have Etna and Flonne in that mode + all the created / captured chars.

[Shakuras]

IF MY MEMORY'S RIGHT ( been a while since I checked ) , the strongest skill ever is the "Gordon Blitz" from the Defender of Earth who in my memory completly outclass the Nightsever and the axe's move.

[KarmaTheAlligator]

Originally posted by Shakuras:

IF MY MEMORY'S RIGHT ( been a while since I checked ) , the strongest skill ever is the "Gordon Blitz" from the Defender of Earth who in my memory completly outclass the Nightsever and the axe's move.

From what I remember, it's a mistake the one who tested made, Gordon Blitz is nowhere as strong as in the guides. In fact it's slighty weaker than Nightsever.

[Meat Miracle]

Originally posted by Bomb Bloke:

I believe Dimension Slash does the same amount of damage as Nightsever, but since it can hit more targets at once, that'd technically make it more powerful. I assume the real stats are all documented somewhere.

Worth noting that some axe skills would arguably be more powerful, but they're handicapped a bit by being unavailable to a Yoshi user.

Nightsever does 300%, Dimension Slash is 250%. Against more enemies, Dimension Slash is better, but one-on-one, Nightsever is stronger. Actually I think Hurricane Slash (200%) can equal Nightsever if the enemy has a weakness to Wind damage, but that might be in Disgaea 2, I'm not sure.

Graviton Bomb is also 300% but Fire elemental, so it can be resisted. Calamity Drive is 300% and not elemental.

Some monsters have 300% or 325% attacks, but they are generally not as useful since most monsters suck. Prinnies have a 350% ultimate skill oddly enough, but it is area-of-effect around them, so not too useful (and they are still Prinnies).

Laharls Meteor Impact is 275%. Gordons final skill is 500% (!!!), but it is based on ATK and Gordon usually has a low ATK in favour of high HIT due to his gun affinity. But he also has S growth on Axes, which can make him potentially devestating.

Jennifers ultimate is 400% too, she is surprisingly good.

I think the most useful skill is the brawlers ultimate attack, Big Bang. It "only" does 200% and it is fire elemental, so it is far from being the most powerful move. But it requires no wind-up space, damages a 3x3 block, and has a massive, 64DM max height. That is actually the best height range in the game, way bigger than even magic attacks (which have 36DM). Lots of counters on brawlers also mean you can get them fairly quick, despite being the last skill they learn.
The downside is the huge mana cost, relative to the SP growth of the brawlers.
It's even better in Disgaea 2, where the main character is a brawler with S growth.

[KarmaTheAlligator]

Originally posted by Carnis Miraculorum:

Gordons final skill is 500% (!!!), but it is based on ATK and Gordon usually has a low ATK in favour of high HIT due to his gun affinity. But he also has S growth on Axes, which can make him potentially devestating.

Jennifers ultimate is 400% too, she is surprisingly good.

Again, those are mistakes from the original tester. They are in fact about the same as Nightsever.

[cowbell]

Originally posted by XxGOTHxX:

And now I'm done :D here are the comparsions between those skills with a max lvl weapon.

The equipment was the same on both hits, weapon masteries at lvl 20 and skill lvl at 0. Both weapons were lvl 100 and the different char attack values are listed in the screenshot caption.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=642711496

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=642712291

Have you tried to use buffs with those attacks?