For those Wondering Laharl starting Skill is it genius? is it good for nothing?

[Pixelabor]

What skill level does Laharl starts at?? Well to find out i created a new warrior at the game at good for nothing skill level i did the math, and he started with 49 points . and then i created a new game then unequipped laharl and checked his amount of points result was 55 wich means Laharl starts the game as incompetent.

Crazy huh knowing that i just transmigrated as distinguished as early as possible hahahahah. =P

[Pixelabor]

so its really worth it to transmigrate as soon as you can you will get double atack bonus later on!!! if u put in all on attack

[Pixelabor]

it also took me only 10 mins to get to lvl 15 again i dunno y lol... so basically its really worth it knowing that im assuming laharl is worst character at the game cuz laharl is as strong the starting warrior u get at incompetent skill level.

so if you create the final warrior as genius for example he will be much stronger heheh funny isnt it?? so laharl is only a starting character overall. with overpowered skills as blazing knucle and meteor impact =P!

[HEHEHeheh.he.h]

every charector is op if you grind but easyest/best is majiana.it is hardest get but it is easy mode (and it is good i think).2nd i am not sure how match those points helps in early game but i do not suggest grind charectors to match.i suggest get best/good items and then start do that. and where are you grinding? there is 3 end game grind places and laharl and some other story charectors can get just in 2nd best grind place.

[ShinkuTear]

Laharl having 6 more points in base stats does not mean he is Incompetent.

When you make a character, there is RNG in what their Level 1 stats will be, based off their Base Stats. Lv1 stats can be higher or lower, and by several points, for every single stat.

Male Warrior Base Stats: 14/6/11/8/8/11/11/8
Laharl Base Stats: 17/8/12/8/9/11/12/9

Laharl has 3 more base HP, 2 more base SP, 1 more base ATK, INT, HIT, and RES.

If I remember correctly, all characters given to you pre-made by the game, like Laharl and the Prinnies, have +3 to HP as their stat handout. This is also the case for all other Disgaea games, and I believe other NIS games with this system.

[Bomb Bloke]

Originally posted by ShinkuTear:

When you make a character, there is RNG in what their Level 1 stats will be, based off their Base Stats. Lv1 stats can be higher or lower, and by several points, for every single stat.

And that's putting aside that he's not a warrior, so comparing him to one isn't the right way to go about this.

I'm seeing Laharl's base stats (when transmigrating, sans any bonus points he's gained and before the RNG is applied) as:

HP SP AT DF IN SD HT RS TTL
18  8 12  8  9 11 12  9  87

Starting multiple new games, I'm seeing his initial stats as:

HP SP AT DF IN SD HT RS TTL
19  7 11  8  9 11 12  9  85
16  7 12  8  9 10 11  9  82
18  7 12  7  8 10 11  9  82
18  8 12  7  9 11 11  8  84
18  8 12  8  9 11 12  9  87
16  8 11  7  9 11 12  9  83
16  7 12  7  8 11 11  8  80
18  8 11  8  9 11 11  9  85

So there he's rolling an average of 83.5 points, or a "bonus" of -3.5 points. I'm leaning towards good-for-nothing, or perhaps a straight penalty which isn't exactly tied to any particular capability level.

[Pixelabor]

hmmm i think it depends on wich stats ure counting.... like for example i only summed att def and a few others wich totalized 55 wich is 6 points above the 49 of a recently created warrior

[Pixelabor]

maybe il redo the test but now now dont sum everything just the main ones...

[Pixelabor]

Shinku its like i told you made the same sum as me he also started with extra 6. im leaning towards incompetent.

[Bomb Bloke]

Originally posted by Miguedog:

... wich is 6 points above the 49 of a recently created warrior

Laharl is not a Warrior. He's a Demon Prince. Warriors have 77 base points, Laharl has 87. That's a ten point difference even before you start considering "capability" levels.

Though Laharl does get to change class later, just once; I'm not sure if that changes his base stats or not.

[Pixelabor]

i cant compare laharl with a cleric can i??

[Pixelabor]

has anyone made the math of every single created char how much do they start with?

[Bomb Bloke]

No, you can't compare Laharl with a Cleric either. You can only compare him with himself.

In that chart of numbers I posted, only one of those numbers ever went higher than his base stats - right up the top left corner where he got 19 HP. Every other stat either came out at the base level or lower.

Never did his total points go above his base points. Only once did they match; every other time they were lower.

This makes it very, very unlikely that he's getting the one point bonus he should have if he were "incompetent".

[Pixelabor]

So Bomb are u saying he is good for nothing? and he got extra points due o his class factor?

[Bomb Bloke]

He gets more points than Warriors because of his class, yes. It's like how Cosmic Heroes get more points than Warriors. That's why unlocking higher tiers of a class is a good thing.

I think Laharl starts better than good-for-nothing, but worse than incompetent. It's closer to good-for-nothing, anyway.

Either way it's not genius!

[KarmaTheAlligator]

The real question is, why does it matter? Those are his starting stats and there's nothing we can do about it.