Embarrassing and stupid...

[Just So Guy]

Despite some flaws I liked the game till it moved to Germany, and I saw Knight Crosses everywhere instead of swastikas. In Germany - in 1936 - crosses - no swastikas.
Perplexed and disgusted, I immediately quit and uninstalled this travesty.

I was going to buy the Secret Files series. Never.
Enjoy losing a customer, revisionistischen Schweine.

[CHE]

Originally posted by Just So Guy:

Despite some flaws I liked the game till it moved to Germany, and I saw Knight Crosses everywhere instead of swastikas. In Germany - in 1936 - crosses - no swastikas.
Perplexed and disgusted, I immediately quit and uninstalled this travesty.

I was going to buy the Secret Files series. Never.
Enjoy losing a customer, revisionistischen Schweine.

It was probably done so they wouldn't need to make a 2nd version for the German market. Nazi flags in Germany are illegal.

[Just So Guy]

They are perfectly legal in Germany while shown in historical context. Check game "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade" here on Steam. Lots of swastikas, Hitler himself, yet legal in Germany.
So that travesty was personal decision of developers. So screw them.

[bliss]

Originally posted by Just So Guy:

They are perfectly legal in Germany while shown in historical context. Check game "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade" here on Steam. Lots of swastikas, Hitler himself, yet legal in Germany.
So that travesty was personal decision of developers. So screw them.

Sadly your assertions are false. While it's true there are certain exemptions to Strafgesetzbuch 86a[en.wikipedia.org] for academic and artistic use, well, here's a recent quote[www.bbc.com] from Pete Hines, Bethesda's Vice President of PR & Marketing, concerning Wolfenstein: The New Order:

In Germany, we've removed all Nazi symbols and references. Unlike films and other works of art, video games in Germany are forbidden to use such symbols and references as they are classified in Germany as toys and not media art.

This also applied to Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade back in 1989. Schnittberichte has a page showing side-by-side comparison shots[www.schnittberichte.com] between the US and DE versions.

Today, attempting to visit Steam's Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade store page from Germany, you are instead presented with the message:

Oops, sorry!
An error was encountered while processing your request:
This item is currently unavailable in your region

If you're interested, Game Pressure recently published a good article[www.gamepressure.com] on the subject, discussing how it affects developers and their audience.

[💋SayonaraBaby☠]

First of all, its not the devs fault. They don t make the German laws. Second quitting the game because of such a minor issue is childish if you enjouyed the game till the Berlin mission.

[Just So Guy]

a. It IS developers' fault. I do not live in Germany and do not care about their laws.


b. "Childish" is eat silently whatever crap they feed you. Revisionist trash particularly.

[💋SayonaraBaby☠]

Originally posted by Just So Guy:

a. It IS developers' fault. I do not live in Germany and do not care about their laws.

Fine but then you are acting like a crybaby for such a thing. Besides i believe devs give a damn about your money either.

[CyberHaggis]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember that recently (the last year) neonazis courted through Berlin with minor nuisances, just a bit of opposition from anti-nazis groups but the police kept things in order. So, I guess that nazi flags are not so illegal in Germany, if they allowed such a thing :P

[bliss]

Originally posted by Haggis McMutton:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember that recently (the last year) neonazis courted through Berlin with minor nuisances, just a bit of opposition from anti-nazis groups but the police kept things in order. So, I guess that nazi flags are not so illegal in Germany, if they allowed such a thing :P

That's false, although there's now some case law to allow it for anti-fascism use. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_section_86a#Anti-fascism_symbols

I would guess the police were the good kind, and just trying not to anger a potentially violent crowd they couldn't control.

[💋SayonaraBaby☠]

the law to some degree is actually nonsense if you take into account that the nazis did by no circumstances actually invent but just use it as the symbol of the arian race. It is also quite common to see the cross at schools drawn by Kids which want to mess arround with it. As the article states it is actually legal to have the cross embeded in art and stuff like that but i doubt video games are defined as art by the lawtext.

[CyberHaggis]

Originally posted by amok:

Originally posted by Haggis McMutton:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember that recently (the last year) neonazis courted through Berlin with minor nuisances, just a bit of opposition from anti-nazis groups but the police kept things in order. So, I guess that nazi flags are not so illegal in Germany, if they allowed such a thing :P

That's false, although there's now some case law to allow it for anti-fascism use. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_section_86a#Anti-fascism_symbols

I would guess the police were the good kind, and just trying not to anger a potentially violent crowd they couldn't control.

Yes, I've read something around the internet and in fact things were a bit different from how they made them look the first time.
That said, if I were there you would have found me among the angry opposition crowd XD

[CHE]

Originally posted by Just So Guy:

a. It IS developers' fault. I do not live in Germany and do not care about their laws.


b. "Childish" is eat silently whatever crap they feed you. Revisionist trash particularly.

It was probably done so they wouldn't need to make a 2nd version for the German market. Nazi flags in Germany are illegal. if you want them to spend that extra money making 2 versions, well you are free to give them the money to cover the costs.

Complaining and criticising won't achieve anything but make yourself more unhappy and make conflict with others - and make others more unhappy, too.

[v00d00m4n]

Originally posted by Just So Guy:

Despite some flaws I liked the game till it moved to Germany, and I saw Knight Crosses everywhere instead of swastikas. In Germany - in 1936 - crosses - no swastikas.
Perplexed and disgusted, I immediately quit and uninstalled this travesty.

I was going to buy the Secret Files series. Never.
Enjoy losing a customer, revisionistischen Schweine.

Dude, devs are german and germany have post WW2 syndrome and anything related to 3rd reich is prohibited even in works of fictions. No game in germany can use real nazy symbolics, and devs that are in germany have quite a heavy restrictions whch may prevent them from making accurate representation of nazy in their game even for internationsl versions.

[lyn]

Seems a petty reasson for not finishing a game and an excellent one at that. There are very few good games of this genre around and this is one of the best. Your loss.