Crusaders of the Lost Idols

Crusaders of the Lost Idols

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Codename  [developer] Jul 15, 2021 @ 12:47pm
Update: A Song of Thrones Event, 2021 Edition!
Click...click...click...from out of the depths of the mountain cave scurries your newest Crusader friend.

A Song of Thrones 6 has arrived, bringing with it the hard worker, Zuczek the Fire-Blooded. When you want to add her to your formation, you can find them in slot 37.

This year's event is available to complete up to Tuesday, July 27th at 12:00 PM Pacific Time (UTC -7), introducing Zuczek the Fire-Blooded and bringing back Imani Saskien, Holddoor, The Wolf King, RoboQueen, Zombie Winter, Leerion, the Royal Dwarf, and Brogon, Prince of Dragons!


Check out more information about this update on our official blog![codenameentertainment.com]
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js51472 Jul 15, 2021 @ 2:13pm 
:praisesun:
Blood Jul 15, 2021 @ 5:39pm 
I doubt anyone has done the math. I'm just wondering how many times you have to use Fire Storm until Zuc gives more DPS than Tier, at least pre-Arithmagician Newts.
Last edited by Blood; Jul 15, 2021 @ 5:40pm
js51472 Jul 15, 2021 @ 5:55pm 
It's too bad Fire Storm is unusable due to instakilling. I'm not sure what kind of timeframe it would take when the dungeon season ends to make it useful, and it's impossible to do during dungeons. Please make Fire Storm usable all the time, with no restrictions other than its cooldown.
Blood Jul 15, 2021 @ 7:22pm 
They could add an objective that makes it useable all the time.
techlion93 Jul 15, 2021 @ 9:33pm 
Thanks for the event.

It isn't great, but it seems that having Ishtar in the formation allows for it to go off occasionally. Alacrity might work too. You want a power that spawns monsters that are "tougher" than the usual monsters.

Why are we comparing Zuc to Tier? What does Newts have to do with Tier's power?

I would compare Zuc to Bruno or Odile, except for the permanence of the stacks. The main difference is that Zuc doesn't get any boost like what Sashimi or Marzi can give the other two. Zuc could get to a good boost with legendary gear and a nice Fire rune, but nothing like Bruno and Odile. The good news is that Zuc does not conflict with the other crusaders, so adding Zuc for DPS is straight forward.

Legendary gear (+200%) and a level 11 Fire rune (+1,000%) would mean every 1,500 stacks would be worth e185?

Of course Zuc has another Fire rune for 5th slot.

I would welcome a change to allow better training of Zuc, but I am not holding my breath.
muljostpho Jul 16, 2021 @ 12:51am 
Oh hey, another event start.

New character has chance for triple drops / triple kills? Everyone else like this has only doubled them, right? So that sounds kind of nice. Not sure what to think of the ability that will scale up as fire storm is used.

I'm at 351.545T idols as I start this one. Characters from the previous years of this are all full epic+ already.
Last edited by muljostpho; Jul 16, 2021 @ 12:52am
ryan92084 Jul 16, 2021 @ 4:44am 
Considering zuc's potential there is nothing wrong with making the stacking a bit onerous imo.
Originally posted by techlion93:
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Zuc could get to a good boost with legendary gear and a nice Fire rune, but nothing like Bruno and Odile.
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hah, oh ye of little faith
js51472 Jul 16, 2021 @ 7:07am 
I guess I'll build up Zuc during events a bit at a time, so the warps also go toward new crusader chests/gear, and then more when the dungeon season ends. I wonder what the minimum stacks required will be for her to be useful in future formations, as I assume they will all use her going forward. Also curious how many warps it will require. And, curse you fire runes!

I can see that it can become quite powerful despite the difficulty in raising stacks, but, I still wish there was some better way to automate raising stacks. I haven't actually checked a taskmaster on the 30 minute warps, but, I assume there is no way to make it not use a warp until Instant Satisfaction runs out? It would feel rather wasteful to just keep using a warp every second or whatever, when IS allows for extra uses per warp.

Can't wait to see new formations that make use of Zuc!
ryan92084 Jul 16, 2021 @ 3:45pm 
Made a tool for zuc math. The yellow cells are usable without making a copy so you can select your rune and stacks of preference https://bit .ly/CotLI_Zuc (remove the space)
Last edited by ryan92084; Jul 16, 2021 @ 3:46pm
js51472 Jul 20, 2021 @ 10:02am 
From the reddit q&a: "Justin has pointed out that Zuczek, having an uncapped, multiplicatively-stacking ability isn't good for the health of the game. To that end, we'll be adding a cap to the number of stacks Zuczek can have, and tweaking the values of the higher level rune. Those changes will come out in the next few days."

Can someone with a reddit account ask what the stack cap will be, please?

https://old.reddit.com/r/lostidols/comments/oo61fe/crusaders_community_qa_249_with_host_erika/
Last edited by js51472; Jul 20, 2021 @ 10:06am
sprsclr Jul 20, 2021 @ 10:48am 
Originally posted by js51472:
I can see that it can become quite powerful despite the difficulty in raising stacks, but, I still wish there was some better way to automate raising stacks. I haven't actually checked a taskmaster on the 30 minute warps, but, I assume there is no way to make it not use a warp until Instant Satisfaction runs out? It would feel rather wasteful to just keep using a warp every second or whatever, when IS allows for extra uses per warp.
I believe someone mentioned using a crusader that creates spawns - e.g. Alacrity or Crow to let you trigger fire storms.
Blood Jul 20, 2021 @ 4:41pm 
Originally posted by js51472:
From the reddit q&a: "Justin has pointed out that Zuczek, having an uncapped, multiplicatively-stacking ability isn't good for the health of the game. To that end, we'll be adding a cap to the number of stacks Zuczek can have, and tweaking the values of the higher level rune. Those changes will come out in the next few days."

Can someone with a reddit account ask what the stack cap will be, please?

https://old.reddit.com/r/lostidols/comments/oo61fe/crusaders_community_qa_249_with_host_erika/

Makes sense, as it stand Zuc is better than Jiao.
js51472 Jul 22, 2021 @ 1:36pm 
Zuc nerf is up. Hope someone makes a new tool, and if possible includes the old numbers for comparison. 40,000 stacks is the new cap and the 5th rune has been nerfed from L6-L15

My L9 with 15226 stacks was 4.10e928 before, and is now 3.69e841. e87 loss. I was expecting it to hit me harder tbh, but, I guess the bigger hit will be at max stacks and higher rune levels. Now to wait for the next event to raise the stacks a bit more.

Based on the amount of warps I spent to get to 15k(7700), I will need to use another 13k deloreans to hit the cap. I wish the game didn't freeze and die after 10 minutes of enemies building up so I could let it go overnight. I tried finding an area where I could use Fire Storm but still kill off enemies to lower the numbers, but had no luck.

I would love a way to build it up, without warps, at a reasonable pace and while still being able to progress in dungeons etc.
Last edited by js51472; Jul 22, 2021 @ 1:55pm
Blood Jul 22, 2021 @ 3:16pm 
I was thinking that's still a lot until I realized that's a fire rune.
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