From the Ashes

[lorddragon97240]

Hello world !

I have 250M idols and want to try doing that objective but I suppose it won't be easy. If I wanted to do it as the game want us to do it, I surely would need Fire Phoenix lv 9000 at least (but I have enough of the wall at area 2060 and want to up my game ! ) and my max level is 8500.

I will probably use the roborabbit trick (L7/L1/R) but still want some advices on how to prepare to beat that thing ... and NO, I DON'T have Wrena but kebos is doing fine for now so, if you can tell me strategies without her

EDIT
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1872466636

Everything above is maxed and I don't know how to invest those idols

[Noodlebrainz]

This website might help: http://www.fantamondi.it/cotli/recommendation. You can scroll to the relevant objective and click on the light bulb icon (depending if it is t1, t2, t3 or t4).

As for the actual objective itself: It has been a while since I completed it so I probably won't remember everything. Prior to a number of key updates, lvl 9500+ was required, or low 9000 with LB (lingering buffs). Updates such as kilo levelling and powerful t4 crusaders have definitely dropped the recommended max level; I think it should now be possible even with under 9000 max level.

You would want to make a strong formation based on a Phoenix dps, if i recall correctly. Just distribute materials into relevant legendaries. Craft/obtain some legendaries that you think will improve your dps if you need it. Whatever helps; double sprint is totally worth it.

For your talents, I think your ELBH (every little bit helps) is a bit too high; it should be roughly 29x lower than your relevant training lvl cost (for example a single level of 10k training costs 29x more idols than ELBH).

Best of luck.

[lorddragon97240]

I'm already using this website but the comments are really ... one say it can be done with less than 100M idols, another one says it is hard with 1 billion. For others objectives, i found it useful but that one seems to really divide the comments. But with the latest updates, I thinks it is possible with 250 - 300 M idols, wich is why I am trying now.

So you say to use a free respec to level down a little ELBH and invest on 10k training. I thought on investing them on cheer squad or valuable expérience (or maybe even kilo leveling after some objectives) but it's obvious that, without killing those 2 pests, it will be impossible with my curent max level.

One more thing : the trick with roborabbit is charging him while the pests are dead with a dps formation but, if he unleashes 5% of stored damages, even if you store e800, it will run out after 20 clicks so how to really use him ? Except if you have to go back often to charge his ability, I don't see how he can really be useful. Or there is something I don't understand

[Noodlebrainz]

Do note that players have varying gear and material levels; Idol count isn't a definitive measure, but it is an indicator. What may seem trivial to a player with relatively low idols but great gear may seem fairly challenging for another player with lots of idols but not so great gear. I'm pretty sure it is fairly possible to complete this objective at that idol range (250m-300m), especially with the recent updates like I mentioned before.

Training levels will always be useful, elbh is relevant too. Kilo levelling I found to be a decent boost in dps when I was attempting this objective. Cheer squad and valuable experience are nice to have. However, if you are a fairly active player and want to rack up on dps, Training levels + elbh are the way to go. You could always opt to invest in the Lingering Buffs talent if you want to make use of large dps buff stacks in a run, there have been a fair number of players who do this.

That's not quite how Roborabbit works. It's multiplicative instead of additive, meaning it doesn't run out after 20 clicks as you thought.

Edit: Took a closer look at your talent distribution, you'd definitely want to invest a lot more into 10k, and should hold off from the other talents, except maybe Lingering Buffs.

[lorddragon97240]

Originally posted by Noodlebrainz:

Do note that players have varying gear and material levels; Idol count isn't a definitive measure, but it is an indicator. What may seem trivial to a player with relatively low idols but great gear may seem fairly challenging for another player with lots of idols but not so great gear.

Yeah, I know that far too well. It is just that, for the other objectives, the gap is not as big as for that one so it's a little confusing and intimidating. For example, when kebos deathpuddle got out, I could do Accio difficulty and i don't think he had all of his legendaries. And when I obtained Kebos ? Going from 1650 to 1850 wall at once so some other objectives who looked hard became easy !

But I will try with my 250M idols and, if I can't do it, will try with 100M idols more and so on.

[swclesley]

As somebody who has just done from the Ashes at 146M idols and a level cap of 8650 I can vouch that it can be done at your level using Roborabbit. Only real tip I can give is that after charging up rabbit at area 1 get ready to throw in as many double drop crusaders at the front of the formation to reduce your click requirement to advance forward. For me at a slightly lower idol count it was a bit awkward but so long as you can build up to e349+ (I managed e351) while having rabbit and phoenix in formation you will be fine.

[Bazzakrak]

If you havent done it, check out this post on Kongregate, give you a good idea on how to use/abuse RoboRabbit for it.

http://www.kongregate.com/forums/12051-crusaders-of-the-lost-idols/topics/1763834-from-the-ashes-formation?page=2#posts-12987312

[lorddragon97240]

Ok, thanks to you all for the advices. I did some runs befors and will try FTA today or tomorrow.

On a unrelated note .... the week-end event has a little bug or just an error for the boosted skills of Arenvarr ? How can you boost a skill that grants a tag ?

[Noodlebrainz]

Originally posted by lorddragon97240:

On a unrelated note .... the week-end event has a little bug or just an error for the boosted skills of Arenvarr ? How can you boost a skill that grants a tag ?

I just checked; I believe it is a typo. It actually boosts Shared Curse instead of Cursed Gold.

[lorddragon97240]

Originally posted by Noodlebrainz:

Originally posted by lorddragon97240:

On a unrelated note .... the week-end event has a little bug or just an error for the boosted skills of Arenvarr ? How can you boost a skill that grants a tag ?

I just checked; I believe it is a typo. It actually boosts Shared Curse instead of Cursed Gold.

Yeah, I suppose it was that (but I didn't want to open a new post for that)

FTA done without too much of a problem. I just let the game run with a little formation behind Fire Phoenix (some crusaders with "increase dps of all crusaders"), then I put roborabbit somewhere far away of the snake and continue the run.
At area 1350, I could kill easily the cultist then charge a lot the rabbit (E372 if I recall). Then active play from area 1400 to be sure I don't run out of click damage.

I discovered that you can use Mycall to reach crusaders a little farther with Propagation ... maybe even more with Mindy's Mimic.

[SotF]

One of the things that got me through that mission was getting Lingering Buffs up as high as possible and burning a whole lot of the lower level buffs that I'd stockpiled...got a pretty huge increase there.

[Tristan]

is it possible to cheat the quest "from the ashes"? i really hate this quest. i don't have got roborabbit and it's ridicolous to have to wait until next april. and farming for level cap 9600+ with the cap at area 2060 is annoying.

any ideas, please?

[SotF]

Originally posted by Tristan:

is it possible to cheat the quest "from the ashes"? i really hate this quest. i don't have got roborabbit and it's ridicolous to have to wait until next april. and farming for level cap 9600+ with the cap at area 2060 is annoying.

any ideas, please?

Lingering Buffs talent as high as possible with a lot of cards to spend on it. Level Phoenix's legendaries as high as you can, and you can manipulate some of it by shifting around to let the mobs kill the additions to your formation and clear more away.

I did it without using RoboRabbit...and post the firebombing nerf.

[Tristan]

how many idols did you have and what was your level cap at that time?

i only have got the crusaders of the last months. when i tried the quest i used mr. boggins (animal buff increased by legendary), shadow queen (her cowl and legendary supernatural buff), mindy and milgred but the dps is really low. i read that i need e349 but i only can do e312 or so...

[SotF]

Originally posted by Tristan:

how many idols did you have and what was your level cap at that time?

i only have got the crusaders of the last months. when i tried the quest i used mr. boggins (animal buff increased by legendary), shadow queen (her cowl and legendary supernatural buff), mindy and milgred but the dps is really low. i read that i need e349 but i only can do e312 or so...

For level cap, it was maxed out T4 and some in the T5 talents, can't remember the exact amount. I think that I was at around 300 million idols at the time. I had the materials to level all of Phoenix's items to L9 for it.

From the Ashes and Accio Difficulty were the only ones that I'd had any issues with getting done, but still pushed through it.

[Kylo Ded]

It took me three times but finally (1 month ago)
1. Idols at 220e6
2. L6 on all Pheonix
3. Mindy/Mycall with Thalia L6 for the max effect of storm rider.
4. A lot of hands-on to maximise the SR bonus keep DPS high.
5. DPS is around e349 at success . I had failed at e327.
6. I did not use Roborabbit. Not needed. The Rabbit is cool for unstable DPS situations but when I tried to insert the Rabbit things were a bit worse for me. No firebombing.
7. Fantamondi testamonials are a good read. Hit the lightbulb to the right of the entry to read other CoTLI players setups.

https://www.fantamondi.it/cotli/recommendation

8. Also - instead of sweating just play the regular campaign and hit every Tier 2 unlock you can for extra idols. When you come back to 'From the Ashes' you will have probably upgraded A few key DPS talents. Do you have at least 2 levels of Kilo Leveling?