Ending Discussion [Spoilers]

[MrWoodenSheep]

Obviously, spoilers ahead.

Anyone care to leave what they think happened in the ending? I'm curious

[prisvas]

引用自 Henry：

引用自 prisvas：

Guys, I`m missing one last achievement. The "Family Ties". I finished the game twice and still didn`t get it. Where is it?? I don`t wanna open a new discurssion just for this, so if you could help me, i would be sooo happy :)

It's a polaroid of Callum and Lorraine on a bench by the Octotron.

I`m so blind that even with your tip, i ran around the octotron two times before finding it. Thanks!

[Stedios]

The Seven Silences is the amount of times Lorraine tries to commit Suicide but fails breaking her Gaia Bee into seven pieces that the player must collect, Callum lays on the slab at the end and Lorraine attacks the player because the only way for an immortal to be killed is by another immortal, You kill Lorraine and put back together the Bee so ending Lorraines curse so she can finaly rest with Callum (theory! It's Lorraines voice at the end but she is wearing a mask, for what purpose and why?) Seven for a secret never to be told.

[SkyRobo1]

I also notice that in the mission "Seven Silences" Lorraine at the end mentioned both in person and in paper how Gaia is eating away at them and that their changing and how no one else feels it but her...I think its because the Council of venice forced feed her the Bee.

If Gaia chooses her champions then that must mean the bee the agent had at the end of the Park must have been meant for someone else, so when she mentions how its eating away at her and she hears noises and buzzing its perhaps because of how the bee is trying to get out bit by bit. Which doesnt really help since its causing her to lose her mind and she already lost most of it a long time ago.

[swith]

Holy crap i totally missed that the Chipmunk Killer was Andy's kitten-drowning dad. Man that guy was a scumbag.

[Mistral]

引用自 Stedios：

The Seven Silences is the amount of times Lorraine tries to commit Suicide but fails breaking her Gaia Bee into seven pieces that the player must collect, Callum lays on the slab at the end and Lorraine attacks the player because the only way for an immortal to be killed is by another immortal, You kill Lorraine and put back together the Bee so ending Lorraines curse so she can finaly rest with Callum (theory! It's Lorraines voice at the end but she is wearing a mask, for what purpose and why?) Seven for a secret never to be told.

Remember the first journal note (at least i think it's the first)? "The word is sparagmos." or something like that. Lorraine used the dreams as a scalpel to cut the bee within her into seven pieces - which were the fragment of silences we acquired at the end of each sequences. The one the player fought by the end is her anima form - one that remained after she finally succeeded in commiting suicide and by killing that form, she effectively died. And I've forgotten about that number seven. That was awesome :D

引用自 SkyRobo1：

I also notice that in the mission "Seven Silences" Lorraine at the end mentioned both in person and in paper how Gaia is eating away at them and that their changing and how no one else feels it but her...I think its because the Council of venice forced feed her the Bee.

If Gaia chooses her champions then that must mean the bee the agent had at the end of the Park must have been meant for someone else, so when she mentions how its eating away at her and she hears noises and buzzing its perhaps because of how the bee is trying to get out bit by bit. Which doesnt really help since its causing her to lose her mind and she already lost most of it a long time ago.

All I can say is read Samhain 2015 Lore. The Buzzing said it themselves that once Lorraine was able to hear them, they said that the voices she heard may not have been too kind.

EDIT: Since I don't want to post another reply after this block of text, I thought I'd just post it here.
I know someone already linked the mission walkthrough in an earlier post. I thought I'd just post my video of The Seven Silences for those people who wants to see what kind of insanity Lorraine just went through decades after this game: https://youtu.be/9e5Rx9ROj9I

[Stedios]

引用自 swith：

Holy crap i totally missed that the Chipmunk Killer was Andy's kitten-drowning dad. Man that guy was a scumbag.

In the Meowling quest you have to go kill the kittens demons and face the Cat God.
On another note an Ice Pick was a weapon used to attack lots of people because it was so easy at hand, Leon Trotsky being the most famous. Article on Ice pick killings http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/01/nyregion/ice-picks-are-still-used-as-weapons.html

[SimoonGryphon]

So for the original poster's topic RE: discussion on the ending, here's my take-away. (Also, I am an avid Secret World gamer.) Very early on in the game the hints about the park being (designed as) a spiritual energy engine are dropped. The problem is something is tainting it to a different purpose. Given that there is Filth beneath Solomon Island (this is a big thing in TSW), I reckon that's the primary macguffin that's making with the sinister. The bogeyman (Mr. Stretchy Arms & Top Hat Slender Guy) is more or less an opportunistic manifestation that feeds on this dark juju. (So what if the children are more scared than happy - they will still scream, all right.)

In the end, the bogeyman guides Lorraine's hand. He probably guided Steve's hand in other ice pick related activities... I reckon also that your average person - particularly people like Lorraine that have a bit of supernatural potental anyway - are very susceptible to, shall we say, dark influence. From a more realist-ish standpoint, depression makes everything dark seem much, much more accurate. To paraphrase Lorraine, 'In the oldest version of the Hansel and Gretel story, the witch IS actually the mother...I am the witch, aren't I?'

Guilt, grief, depression...add a sophisticated malevolence that can turn these screws all the more effectively...Go go gadget tragedy win.

On the subject of the Seven Silences tie-in, what do people thing actually happened at the end? At first I figured, ok, so her bee is free, and she's finally corpsified for realsies now, but it isn't totally clear that she's dead or not, because when you start the mission you talk to her in meat-space, since that Council of Venice agent at Tabula Rasa is actually Lorraine.

Ima check to see if that last dream journal entry actually has a date on it (even if it's just a season).

[The Knight of Faerie]

The boogieman isn't just guiding her hands at the end, he's forcing her as she resists lifting the ice pick and positioning it. Then only lets go when she's plunging it down. Not sure what that means though.

[Mistral]

引用自 Simoon Gryphon：

So for the original poster's topic RE: discussion on the ending, here's my take-away. (Also, I am an avid Secret World gamer.) Very early on in the game the hints about the park being (designed as) a spiritual energy engine are dropped. The problem is something is tainting it to a different purpose. Given that there is Filth beneath Solomon Island (this is a big thing in TSW), I reckon that's the primary macguffin that's making with the sinister. The bogeyman (Mr. Stretchy Arms & Top Hat Slender Guy) is more or less an opportunistic manifestation that feeds on this dark juju. (So what if the children are more scared than happy - they will still scream, all right.)

In the end, the bogeyman guides Lorraine's hand. He probably guided Steve's hand in other ice pick related activities... I reckon also that your average person - particularly people like Lorraine that have a bit of supernatural potental anyway - are very susceptible to, shall we say, dark influence. From a more realist-ish standpoint, depression makes everything dark seem much, much more accurate. To paraphrase Lorraine, 'In the oldest version of the Hansel and Gretel story, the witch IS actually the mother...I am the witch, aren't I?'

Guilt, grief, depression...add a sophisticated malevolence that can turn these screws all the more effectively...Go go gadget tragedy win.

On the subject of the Seven Silences tie-in, what do people thing actually happened at the end? At first I figured, ok, so her bee is free, and she's finally corpsified for realsies now, but it isn't totally clear that she's dead or not, because when you start the mission you talk to her in meat-space, since that Council of Venice agent at Tabula Rasa is actually Lorraine.

Ima check to see if that last dream journal entry actually has a date on it (even if it's just a season).

People have been saying that too and I always disagree with them. Now that I replayed the video with the voice side by side... i think it really is her, too. But the final entry says she couldn't hear the buzzing anymore so maybe while we were running around to find the fragments of silence, she was up there in that final room all along. To be fair, the travel time to collect all those pieces is horrendous.

And you're right, we're going a bit off topic... well, going sideways, I guess. Back to the park ending, think of the whole game as part her experience in the park and part seeing her descent to insanity. She killed Callum due to the park's influence on her - it was already evident with her monologue as you get closer to the end. She was becoming like Chad the Chipmunk - how he just snapped one day and killed those kids.

[Phaedra]

引用自 Stedios：

The Seven Silences is the amount of times Lorraine tries to commit Suicide but fails breaking her Gaia Bee into seven pieces that the player must collect, Callum lays on the slab at the end and Lorraine attacks the player because the only way for an immortal to be killed is by another immortal, You kill Lorraine and put back together the Bee so ending Lorraines curse so she can finaly rest with Callum (theory! It's Lorraines voice at the end but she is wearing a mask, for what purpose and why?) Seven for a secret never to be told.

She wears a mask because:
1. She was trying to avoid you from going on her trails. 2. She worked for the Council Of Venice, as stated in the final resumee from your faction handler.

[SimoonGryphon]

引用自 The Knight of Faerie：

The boogieman isn't just guiding her hands at the end, he's forcing her as she resists lifting the ice pick and positioning it. Then only lets go when she's plunging it down. Not sure what that means though.

Yes, you're exactly right. And I'm not sure what it means either, except that I guess that last little push was proof of...consequence, I guess. *shrug*

[rthibodeau2009]

引用自 GoneWithTheWin.com：

The ending is real and the game you played was the central character coping with killing her own child Did you pick up each book at the end and read the backs? It all starts coming to an end "It always begins at Atlantic Island Park" ... "Don't worry Lorraine, people lose things all the time".

These lines are key to making it all tie together especially if you realize the park attendant is also the cop at the end conducting an investigation with Lorraine a suspect. Wasn't it odd that the park attendant knew her name?.The main characters inner selves are at conflict and it is reflected on everything that is going on in the game and why you are in no real game danger in the park as it is all in her head.

The "Attendant" is not a cop. Why would a cop have a bee in a jar? If you have played The Secret World, you should know the significance of bees.

Lorraine was depressed and psychotic since the death of her lover. In many ways, she resented her son, yet he was the world to her. The 'bee' at the end is symbolic of Anima, a theme present in The Secret World.

[P0sitive!]

I love those endlings like these! It gives you an open ending...

[tigerhawkv3]

Originally posted by The Knight of Faerie:
The boogieman isn't just guiding her hands at the end, he's forcing her as she resists lifting the ice pick and positioning it. Then only lets go when she's plunging it down. Not sure what that means though.

Yes, you're exactly right. And I'm not sure what it means either, except that I guess that last little push was proof of...consequence, I guess. *shrug*


I'm not sure that she actually physically killed him. You don't actually see the ice pick in him. Is what we are seeing actually what happened or her blaming herself for losing him and her negligence causing his presumed death. Did they recover his body?

[El lobo]

引用自 Housatonic：

MrWoodenSheep - I still have a key for the base game sitting around, it's not a Steam key, but do let me know if you decide you want to give it a go anyway. (It's the full game, minus DLCs, not a trial key.)]
Can you send me the key please