Heavy Tank Meta is Boring

[mastershake16]

Dear Devs,

The multiplayer meta = whoever spawns the heaviest tank wins. It is obvious the meta is balanced around the heavy tanks. I acknowledge that heavy tanks should dominate the battlefield but I still think they're overpowered at the moment.

Every game seems the same: jeep/kubelwagen rush, infantry dig in, a light vehicle battle or two, then everyone waits for their heavy tanks.

This is why the most competitive doctrines are those with the heaviest tanks: Pershings, King Tigers, etc

There is not enough high quality/cheap anti-tank options whether it be AT guns or close air support. Please adjust cost/add more. Specifically air support options.

To the people who say "just Bazooka/Panzershrek," it is only bad players that let you get that close to their heavy tank. Good players just keep a heavy at the edge of sight range and entrench infantry around it.

I am tired of heavy tank duels at the end of every match deciding the winner.

Does anyone have a solution to make other strategies more viable?

Thank you,


Mastershake

EDIT: If the devs can show that I am incorrect and that US multiplayer winrates are within a few percentage points of German multiplayer winrates, I invite a developer to release such information to confirm that I am indeed just bad. Otherwise, I maintain that multiplayer balance is skewed in favor of Germany due the current heavy tank meta.

[QUANTUM MECHANICS c000021a]

Call Japanese suicide bomber.

[Pz.Abt. 502]

tanks have biggest role in ww2..

[mastershake16]

Originally posted by Panzerjäger:

tanks have biggest role in ww2..

My third sentence says "I acknowledge that heavy tanks should dominate the battlefield but I still think they're overpowered at the moment."

A German player can field multiple Tigers/Panthers AND a King Tiger at the same time... Meanwhile, the most heavily armored US doctrine can only have one Super Pershing alongside a 76mm Sherman... The American player cannot defeat the German armor if the German player is of equal skill. And the US doctrines without Pershings (Defensive) have zero chance....

There's only two solutions to this balancing problem..

1) Give US players more Pershings or buff them (but this is unrealistic)

OR

2) Give US players more anti-tank air support

Otherwise what happens is the German players just have to survive until they can field their endgame armor and then they win....

I wonder if the devs have multiplayer winrates for each faction and each doctrine.... I would wager German Offensive doctrine has the highest winrate by far.

[Pz.Abt. 502]

Originally posted by OG_mastershake:

Originally posted by Panzerjäger:

tanks have biggest role in ww2..

My third sentence says "I acknowledge that heavy tanks should dominate the battlefield but I still think they're overpowered at the moment."

A German player can field multiple Tigers/Panthers AND a King Tiger at the same time... Meanwhile, the most heavily armored US doctrine can only have one Super Pershing alongside a 76mm Sherman... The American player cannot defeat the German armor if the German player is of equal skill. And the US doctrines without Pershings (Defensive) have zero chance....

There's only two solutions to this balancing problem..

1) Give US players more Pershings or buff them (but this is unrealistic)

OR

2) Give US players more anti-tank air support

Otherwise what happens is the German players just have to survive until they can field their endgame armor and then they win....

I wonder if the devs have multiplayer winrates for each faction and each doctrine.... I would wager German Offensive doctrine has the highest winrate by far.

you must push with allied, dont wait pershing.. like real war allied spam and attack.

[mastershake16]

Originally posted by Panzerjäger:

you must push with allied, dont wait pershing.. like real war allied spam and attack.

I understand that this is the THEORY of how to win with USA against German armor but in practice it is not so easy.

Because, unlike in real life, USA cannot get a serious numerical armor advantage with the current MP cost per USA tank.

Maybe USA should get their 76mm Shermans cheaper...

[Urk_da_WAAAGH!]

They can't field "multiple" heavy tanks, at least no more than you can field jumbos.

You don't need to pen and destroy those tanks, immobilization kill will stop it for enough time for a bomb run to finish the deal (irregular doctrine), use field guns, they usually have bigger range than tanks guns.

Do a immobilization kill and spam HE on the tank, any crew that comes out to fix dies until eventually run out of crew members or the tanks stays stuck for a flanking or bomb run (perfectly doable with defensive doctrine)

Aside from KTs, Jagdtigers and some 88mm field guns the jumbos are well armored enough to sustain attacks from all German calibers, 75 may damage or even destroy you with a lucky shot but you will have time to answer and if it's a 76mm Jumbo the German armor is dead.

Use the US famous tank destroyers, spot enemy tank with a unit, throw smokes somewhere else that don't get into the view of the spotting unit, go with the tank destroyer through the smoke, shoot and retreat, the enemy tank will lose sight of yours as it goes behind the smoke, those tank destroyers are turreted and very fast what put them on a very advantageous position for this kind of tactic.

Panthers and King Tigers have quite slow turret traverse, shell the tank infantry scort and rush it with a disposable quick unit for a side shot, damn, I did this with a T-34, a M-10 or M-18 will have no issue to do so.

Remember that any player who has "several panthers or tigers" have less CP on AA, Artillery, Mortar, infantry, etc. Get creative and adapt to the situation, don't call for nerfs just because you suck

[JonasIV]

heavy tanks are useless just use panzerschrecks or bazooka and you win ez pz

[JonasIV]

well like you saw in the last game, tanks dont do anything because the entire meta of this game is infantry infantry infantry, infantry wins games not tanks, an at gun is 1000% more cost effective than a tank while dealing with tanks, in mid war its always better to get 7.5cm pak, HEAT gun or 57/76mm zis gun than f2 panzer, (finland doesnt have tanks) or t-34 m1942

you dont sit afk on your side waiting for the game to end, you go and capture the hq once you had your fun, 99.9% of the playerbase IS bad and WILL drive their tanks straight into your AT gun or panzershcreck/bazooka, the only tanks that are useful are DP tanks because you should be spending all your MP on infantry, not a tiger, not a panther, but INFANTRY while DP is reserved for dealing with something you dont want to spend MP on

[ThatZenoGuy]

Same kinda issue in Conquest, I prefer KV-1's over long barreled Panzer 4's for the simple reason that they can absorb more punishment.

[someone]

this man has never heard of planes
irregular doctrine basically counters all heavy tanks, you dont even need to use 250kg bombs, even the 50kg bombs can easily kill a king tiger because the bomb drops are crazy accurate and anti air AI sucks and doesnt shoot half the time
any heavy tank gets countered by planes, all you need to do is track it which you can do with AT guns or arty

[Ruttley]

Track/Airstrike GG

[kampfer91]

Pff . Heavy tank is trap .

[ThatZenoGuy]

Originally posted by kampfer91:

Pff . Heavy tank is trap .

Your avatar is a trap!

[kampfer91]

And it have been sprung .

[Jitboy]

there is no heavy tank meta... Panthers/Tigers and any IS tank can be knocked out/damaged by AT guns/tank destroyers. Even the King Tiger you can damage it's track and turret very easily. Assault guns/self propelled guns like the SU will damage and kill the crew of any tank in one shot even a king tiger or pershing. heavy Rocket artillery like the 300mm nebel can very easily damage and destroy any tank and is the best counter to them.

also 99% of the time you can just ignore a heavy tank like the King Tiger because it's so slow and its so risky for players to push with it that most of the times it doesn't have any impact on the battle. Just keep some at and artillery in reserve in case it pushes up close and focus your resources on winning other parts of the battle.