The Realism Conversation

[Mehole]

WHENEVER I REFER TO MOWAS 2, I AM SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT THE ROBZ REALISM MOD, I DONT PLAY THE BASE GAME.


Why do people jerk off the "realism" in this game when you have infantry that are meat shields that tank 10s of rounds before being killed and having "meta" players who buy vehicles and APCs at the start of every game and drive around at 1000kph driving left to right dodging bullets? How is any of this realistic?

The fog of war is absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in this game. I can be shooting at an enemy tank that is completely stationary and then all of a sudden it disappears off my screen? I haven't moved my tank to lose line of site and his tank is disabled so it can't move. So how the ♥♥♥♥ do my guys just go blind all of a sudden? Explain it.

The only time realism in this game seems to matter to people is with tanks. And that realism isn't even realism and it seems to only be wehraboos talking about how OP their tanks were in real life and how ♥♥♥♥ everything else was. A tiger or panzer 4 tank taking out a M4 sherman 75mm is totally acceptable. But the fact that I can't kill anything with a 76 Jumbo sherman is simply not realistic. Also with these higher powered american tanks, you never get one taps on any enemy tanks, it always takes like 4/5 shells to even damage any enemy tank. It took me about 6 shots to kill a panzer 3 with a 76 sherman. And on top of that, i couldnt even kill a tiger tank with a 76 sherman, which is completely unrealistic, even with the 2 HVAPs that you get.

After trying this game out for about 2 weeks now, I have to say how far Robz has fallen. I have been a huge fan of this mod on MOWAS 2 and have played it religiously for a long time now and decided to give this game a shot. I just don't understand how you can go from making the god tier mod that is Robz Realism to making this......♥♥♥♥ frankly. The vehicles in MOWAS 2 were very well balanced (bar the brumbar) for the most part, sherman tanks aren't great either but the late game ones are cheap and very effective but can be killed very easily due to their weak armor. In this game, they just suck. period. I can't speak for the soviet tanks as i dont use them. The infantry take one or two shots to be killed and the vehicles movement is very realistic, they can't drive around at 1000kph turning left and right dodging bullets, it just feels so much better.

All in all, from what I've seen, the playerbase is very picky about what bits of realism they want as they only want it to cater to them. Don't get me wrong, this game has a lot of improvements over MOWAS 2 Robz realism but the fact that people call MOWAS 2 "arcady" and they call this ♥♥♥♥ "realisitc" is absolutely bizarre. There is so much more I could talk about that this game does worse but i couldnt be ♥♥♥♥♥♥

[underd0g]

The only suggestion I have is to see Gates of Hell as a base game in the same way as MOWAS2 was the base game to many great mods and find a mod for Gates of Hell in the workshop that suits your tastes.

[Mehole]

Originally posted by underd0g:

The only suggestion I have is to see Gates of Hell as a base game in the same way as MOWAS2 was the base game to many great mods and find a mod for Gates of Hell in the workshop that suits your tastes.

THanks for the reply and i do get what you're saying but it's the fact that it's the very safe creator so I don't understand how the design is so wildly different. Sure it's not just one guy but it's like the entire design philosophy is different. And with MOWAS 2, nearly everyone in multipalyer uses this mod whereas in this game, nearly everyone plays base game except for people that play in groups with people. I play with 2 other friends against 3 randoms in multiplayer and it's impossible to find people with mods on. What would be cool is if you joined a server with mods, it would automatically download the mods the server uses if you dont have them, like in GMOD. Not sure if it would be possible

[JonasIV]

mowas 2 is too old to be enjoyable, goh is very pretty and very satisfying biiig explosions going BOOM and BLAM, very sad that it is considered off-meta because the meta is just infantry spam (boring)

[Mehole]

Originally posted by JonasIV:

mowas 2 is too old to be enjoyable, goh is very pretty and very satisfying biiig explosions going BOOM and BLAM, very sad that it is considered off-meta because the meta is just infantry spam (boring)

No you're completely wrong. MOWAS 2 definitely looks worse but at least I can see enemy troops and don't have to zoom in to see them without needing the map. The troop visibility in this game is awful along with the fog of war. You're also wrong about the explosions. The tanks in this game barely explode at all like they did in MOWAS 2. I've seen maybe a few tanks out of a hundred explode in this game whereas that percentage in MOWAS 2 is much higher and I wouldn't say it looks worse. But I guess it's "more realistic."

[JonasIV]

Originally posted by Jordan:

Originally posted by JonasIV:

mowas 2 is too old to be enjoyable, goh is very pretty and very satisfying biiig explosions going BOOM and BLAM, very sad that it is considered off-meta because the meta is just infantry spam (boring)

No you're completely wrong. MOWAS 2 definitely looks worse but at least I can see enemy troops and don't have to zoom in to see them without needing the map. The troop visibility in this game is awful along with the fog of war. You're also wrong about the explosions. The tanks in this game barely explode at all like they did in MOWAS 2. I've seen maybe a few tanks out of a hundred explode in this game whereas that percentage in MOWAS 2 is much higher and I wouldn't say it looks worse. But I guess it's "more realistic."

no, YOURE WRONG, get yo old ass 2008 mfering graphics BACK to mowas2 where you and the 50 other 40 year old dudes slowly decay circlejerking yourselves saying "damn i wish they made a robz 2 man, damn i wish they made a mowas3 robz 2 man" i dont care about the damn realism if i wanted REALISM i would go and play one of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ ww2 fps shooters that are flooding the market

mfer cant even see units in this game, legally blind ass gamer, "tanks dont explode" excuse me??? have you played more than 5 seconds of this game or was staring at the main menu too unbearable for your impatient mentality, ♥♥♥♥ is blowing up left and right, karl gerat shells going off at zones HUUUUUUUUUUUGE BOOMS when that 280mm lands a hit directly on that landswerk KABOOOOOOOM a tank gets ammo racked and distingerates into metallic debris, so satisfying, so pleasurable, my favourite units in this game are isu-152 and stormmorser yknow why? because isu-152 literally busts a cap in yo ass everytime it fires while sturmmorser just ♥♥♥♥♥ ♥♥♥♥ up every minute or so

[zzirSnipzz]

Originally posted by Jordan:

WHENEVER I REFER TO MOWAS 2, I AM SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT THE ROBZ REALISM MOD, I DONT PLAY THE BASE GAME.


Why do people jerk off the "realism" in this game when you have infantry that are meat shields that tank 10s of rounds before being killed and having "meta" players who buy vehicles and APCs at the start of every game and drive around at 1000kph driving left to right dodging bullets? How is any of this realistic?

The fog of war is absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in this game. I can be shooting at an enemy tank that is completely stationary and then all of a sudden it disappears off my screen? I haven't moved my tank to lose line of site and his tank is disabled so it can't move. So how the ♥♥♥♥ do my guys just go blind all of a sudden? Explain it.

The only time realism in this game seems to matter to people is with tanks. And that realism isn't even realism and it seems to only be wehraboos talking about how OP their tanks were in real life and how ♥♥♥♥ everything else was. A tiger or panzer 4 tank taking out a M4 sherman 75mm is totally acceptable. But the fact that I can't kill anything with a 76 Jumbo sherman is simply not realistic. Also with these higher powered american tanks, you never get one taps on any enemy tanks, it always takes like 4/5 shells to even damage any enemy tank. It took me about 6 shots to kill a panzer 3 with a 76 sherman. And on top of that, i couldnt even kill a tiger tank with a 76 sherman, which is completely unrealistic, even with the 2 HVAPs that you get.

After trying this game out for about 2 weeks now, I have to say how far Robz has fallen. I have been a huge fan of this mod on MOWAS 2 and have played it religiously for a long time now and decided to give this game a shot. I just don't understand how you can go from making the god tier mod that is Robz Realism to making this......♥♥♥♥ frankly. The vehicles in MOWAS 2 were very well balanced (bar the brumbar) for the most part, sherman tanks aren't great either but the late game ones are cheap and very effective but can be killed very easily due to their weak armor. In this game, they just suck. period. I can't speak for the soviet tanks as i dont use them. The infantry take one or two shots to be killed and the vehicles movement is very realistic, they can't drive around at 1000kph turning left and right dodging bullets, it just feels so much better.

All in all, from what I've seen, the playerbase is very picky about what bits of realism they want as they only want it to cater to them. Don't get me wrong, this game has a lot of improvements over MOWAS 2 Robz realism but the fact that people call MOWAS 2 "arcady" and they call this ♥♥♥♥ "realisitc" is absolutely bizarre. There is so much more I could talk about that this game does worse but i couldnt be ♥♥♥♥♥♥

I watched a player just run over enemy soldiers in a car lol

[Mehole]

here is another gem, https://medal.tv/games/call-to-arms/clips/1N2C27AYupKYg0/d1337VmniVBK?invite=cr-MSxHbEYsMTg0MTU2MDkwLA

[JonasIV]

bro like i dont even know what to say, you tell me karl gerat is a ♥♥♥♥ unit to spend points on but then your medal videos show you having 0 infantry, a single sherman while you have 1.2k MP and didnt even use your DP

the point wasnt even karl gerat being a good or bad unit, its the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ visual boom it produces, if you are one of the zombie meta slaves that is like "i cant win games unless i tryhard and follow the meta" then pls stop playing this game and just go back to your beloved robz mod, pvp multiplayer in goh is not hard to get good at man, you dont need to sweat your ass off every single time you play, and karl gerat is such a chill unit to use you just chill and produce a hiroshima and nagaski type explosion every few mins or so

[Mehole]

Originally posted by JonasIV:

bro :mortis: like i dont even know what to say, you tell me karl gerat is a ♥♥♥♥ unit to spend points on but then your medal videos show you having 0 infantry, a single sherman while you have 1.2k MP and didnt even use your DP

the point wasnt even karl gerat being a good or bad unit, its the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ visual boom it produces, if you are one of the zombie meta slaves that is like "i cant win games unless i tryhard and follow the meta" then pls stop playing this game and just go back to your beloved robz mod, pvp multiplayer in goh is not hard to get good at man, you dont need to sweat your ass off every single time you play, and karl gerat is such a chill unit to use you just chill and produce a hiroshima and nagaski type explosion every few mins or so

we literally rolled those guys in the clip my guy

the funny thing is, if you had the things that made MOWAS 2 amazing in this game, you would also think it's better, but players just dont want to listen because they think im malding and can't form legitimate criticisms. I want this game to be good

[Pdguru]

Both games are OK. GoH's grittier look and feel is nice (but I am sick of dark snowy maps and don't want to pay a game price for the Liberation front lol). Just play the one you like with the mods you like. Everyone can be happy. Ish.

[JonasIV]

Originally posted by Jordan:

Originally posted by JonasIV:

bro like i dont even know what to say, you tell me karl gerat is a ♥♥♥♥ unit to spend points on but then your medal videos show you having 0 infantry, a single sherman while you have 1.2k MP and didnt even use your DP

the point wasnt even karl gerat being a good or bad unit, its the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ visual boom it produces, if you are one of the zombie meta slaves that is like "i cant win games unless i tryhard and follow the meta" then pls stop playing this game and just go back to your beloved robz mod, pvp multiplayer in goh is not hard to get good at man, you dont need to sweat your ass off every single time you play, and karl gerat is such a chill unit to use you just chill and produce a hiroshima and nagaski type explosion every few mins or so

we literally rolled those guys in the clip my guy

the funny thing is, if you had the things that made MOWAS 2 amazing in this game, you would also think it's better, but players just dont want to listen because they think im malding and can't form legitimate criticisms. I want this game to be good

yes well done, you rolled them so hard that you went onto the steam forums to complain, truly an amazing show of skill "why are they disappearing off my screen????" meanwhile 0 units even have any vision of the tanks, the only reason you can see them for a few seconds is because theyre firing lmao, ofc you wouldnt know this because you cant think for yourself for more than a few seconds without resorting to "mowas2 did this better, mowas2 is the best, all praise the mowas2 (cant play without robz mod doe)"

[JonasIV]

even crazier, i just went on youtube and watched some robz realism videos, the exact same thing happens there! its almost like goh and mowas2 were built on the same engine and uses the same fog of war/sight mechanic that makes units disappear and reappear!

[Mehole]

Originally posted by JonasIV:

even crazier, i just went on youtube and watched some robz realism videos, the exact same thing happens there! its almost like goh and mowas2 were built on the same engine and uses the same fog of war/sight mechanic that makes units disappear and reappear!

the fog of war can be annoying in in MOWAS 2 but it is nowhere near as bad as it is in this game but you would know that if you played it at all

[underd0g]

Originally posted by Jordan:

THanks for the reply and i do get what you're saying but it's the fact that it's the very safe creator so I don't understand how the design is so wildly different. Sure it's not just one guy but it's like the entire design philosophy is different.

I think they had to go the way of more casual gameplay to reach a larger crowd. I play with my and my brothers private mods so I don't really know which mods are closest to Robz mod in GoH. But it's definitely doable to get a real hardcore experience.

[Gunn]

When my only other options in the genre are CoH and SD, then this here will do just fine.