nerf us rifle grenades

[finn12koch]

as far as i know the american rifle grenades where capable of penetrating 50-60mm of armor but in the game they are able to penetrate the panzer 3 M, stug G and even the brummbär frontally.

that shouldnt be possible but still they penetrate them even at the front

[Settlersgod]

Not that the rifle grenades do a significant amount of damage if they pen.
They barely do any damage at all.

[finn12koch]

Originally posted by Settlersgod:

Not that the rifle grenades do a significant amount of damage if they pen.
They barely do any damage at all.

its enough if they just do a bit damage and stun the tank but i already had cases where they destroyed a tank frontally even when they shouldnt even be able to penetrate.
and even if they just do a bit damage and stun the tank its dumb because they shouldnt be able to do any damage at all, from the side it makes sense but not frontally

[Romich]

Originally posted by finn12koch:

Originally posted by Settlersgod:

Not that the rifle grenades do a significant amount of damage if they pen.
They barely do any damage at all.

its enough if they just do a bit damage and stun the tank but i already had cases where they destroyed a tank frontally even when they shouldnt even be able to penetrate.
and even if they just do a bit damage and stun the tank its dumb because they shouldnt be able to do any damage at all, from the side it makes sense but not frontally

They fly in an arc (like all heat shells), this means they can potentially hit thin roof of your tank
Its kinda unlikely to do that multiple times before enemy player can react

[Urk_da_WAAAGH!]

You're approaching enemy infantry with your tanks so carelessly that a grenadier can ambush them.

Sorry, not fault of the grenades, that's on you, maybe leave tanks for shooting at their max range and push with infantry next time

[Settlersgod]

And there are enough weakspots in the front armor that the rifle grenade can easily pen and the AI only aims at the spots they can pen... and since they AI has unlimited ammo you will get pounded by a couple of rifle grenadiers and stay stunned.

The worst part is that almost every squad of the americans has rifle grenades so the chances of you loosing your tank by rifle grenades because of reckless behaviour is quite high.

Rifle grenades work a lot worse on light vehicles as there isn't much to bounce to kill your crew or hit your ammo and the damage of the rifle grenades is so low that it takes a lot of shots to kill the hull or engine.
When I use rifle grenades the AI seems to gets stunned a lot less with those light vehicles so I'd assume it also counts if the player uses them.

Though the US is better in CQC than Germany so you want to keep your distance in general.

[finn12koch]

Originally posted by Romich:

Originally posted by finn12koch:

its enough if they just do a bit damage and stun the tank but i already had cases where they destroyed a tank frontally even when they shouldnt even be able to penetrate.
and even if they just do a bit damage and stun the tank its dumb because they shouldnt be able to do any damage at all, from the side it makes sense but not frontally

They fly in an arc (like all heat shells), this means they can potentially hit thin roof of your tank
Its kinda unlikely to do that multiple times before enemy player can react

i know that they flie in an arc but what im talking about is them hitting the front armor and penetrating armor they shouldnt be able too

[Lord ♥♥♥-A-Lot]

Originally posted by finn12koch:

Originally posted by Romich:

They fly in an arc (like all heat shells), this means they can potentially hit thin roof of your tank
Its kinda unlikely to do that multiple times before enemy player can react

i know that they flie in an arc but what im talking about is them hitting the front armor and penetrating armor they shouldnt be able too

It has nothing to do with flight trajectory as they are using HEAT grenades which don't rely on velocity to pierce the armor. It is based on physics how molten stream of metal burns it's way trough armor

[LUrker]

He is coping Hard

[finn12koch]

Originally posted by Urk_da_WAAAGH!:

You're approaching enemy infantry with your tanks so carelessly that a grenadier can ambush them.

Sorry, not fault of the grenades, that's on you, maybe leave tanks for shooting at their max range and push with infantry next time

that has nothing to do with my point, they have more penetration in the game than they should have either you tell me a reason why they should have more than they actually had or you just say nothing but saying "its your fault when you get hit by them" has nothing to do with what i said, its like saying it would be okay if the panzer 3 had enough penetration to destroy a super pershing because he has less range and if the panzer 3 can get a shot at the super pershing its his own fault because he could have stayed out of range

[finn12koch]

Originally posted by Lord ♥♥♥-A-Lot:

Originally posted by finn12koch:

i know that they flie in an arc but what im talking about is them hitting the front armor and penetrating armor they shouldnt be able too

It has nothing to do with flight trajectory as they are using HEAT grenades which don't rely on velocity to pierce the armor. It is based on physics how molten stream of metal burns it's way trough armor

yes and the HEAT grenades they are using have 50-60mm of penetration, they cant just pierce an infinite amount of armor because its a molten stream of metal

[Lord ♥♥♥-A-Lot]

Originally posted by LUrker:

He is coping Hard

Feels bad man, but yeah as you said this copium is going nowhere the dude is straight up raging hard and dropping A bombs left and right. Mods should lock the thread as we are really going nowhere because of how US troops had these pretty decent HEAT rifle grenades. HUR DUR they pierced my Panthers side armor HUR DUR

[Lord ♥♥♥-A-Lot]

Originally posted by finn12koch:

Originally posted by Lord ♥♥♥-A-Lot:

It has nothing to do with flight trajectory as they are using HEAT grenades which don't rely on velocity to pierce the armor. It is based on physics how molten stream of metal burns it's way trough armor

yes and the HEAT grenades they are using have 50-60mm of penetration, they cant just pierce an infinite amount of armor because its a molten stream of metal

I do think now they have 77 of pen when last time I used them. Is this going to change something if they nerf them to 60? I don't think so as long as they can pierce turret of everything up until Panther not even mentioning the Tiger. And IF they cannot pierce you frontally why not to try to pierce sides of your hull or turret?

[finn12koch]

Originally posted by Lord ♥♥♥-A-Lot:

Originally posted by LUrker:

He is coping Hard

Feels bad man, but yeah as you said this copium is going nowhere the dude is straight up raging hard and dropping A bombs left and right. Mods should lock the thread as we are really going nowhere because of how US troops had these pretty decent HEAT rifle grenades. HUR DUR they pierced my Panthers side armor HUR DUR

okay i didnt drop a single "A bomb" i didnt insult anybody here and i literally said they shouldnt be able to penetrate certain tanks FROM THE FRONT i never complained about them penetrating one of my tanks from the side

[finn12koch]

Originally posted by Lord ♥♥♥-A-Lot:

Originally posted by finn12koch:

yes and the HEAT grenades they are using have 50-60mm of penetration, they cant just pierce an infinite amount of armor because its a molten stream of metal

I do think now they have 77 of pen when last time I used them. Is this going to change something if they nerf them to 60? I don't think so as long as they can pierce turret of everything up until Panther not even mentioning the Tiger. And IF they cannot pierce you frontally why not to try to pierce sides of your hull or turret?

if they have 60mm of pen that means they cant pierce panze 3, stug and panzer 4 hull from the front thats how it should be and yes they could still pen them from the side but its harder if you can only pen a tank on the side than if you can do it from the front too

[Urk_da_WAAAGH!]

Originally posted by finn12koch:

Originally posted by Urk_da_WAAAGH!:

You're approaching enemy infantry with your tanks so carelessly that a grenadier can ambush them.

Sorry, not fault of the grenades, that's on you, maybe leave tanks for shooting at their max range and push with infantry next time

its like saying it would be okay if the panzer 3 had enough penetration to destroy a super pershing because he has less range and if the panzer 3 can get a shot at the super pershing its his own fault because he could have stayed out of range

exactly, i lost a pershing to a back shot from a SPG and two shermans to flamethrowers, it was my fault and know what? i didn't came here crying because i efed up, just suck it up and do better next time.

About "your point", weird things happen, had a jumbo transmissions damaged by a Pz IV H frontally, that should not happen on ideal conditions but ground, trajectory and other factors create weird situation, no need to create a thread asking for a nerf because you got unlucky