Tips for Germany conquest

[Garudazeno]

It seems to me playing the USSR is a lot easier in Conquest because their tanks are built around an assault doctrine. You can get KV's really fast and they will last you until well into the midgame, you can just waltz them without protection (not recommended) into a capture point and that's that. Germany has no early or midgame tanks capable of doing that, most are based around long range firepower.

I like to use the Hetzer a lot early game, but by around midgame you'll regularly come across AT guns able to penetrate its armour. What can substitute the Hetzer at that point? I'm not struggling but I feel I'm doing something wrong compared to my USSR campaign.

[Dolly Anabell]

the conter of kv1 is panzer 4

[Garudazeno]

Originally posted by Vitinho Spinelli White Bianco:

the conter of kv1 is panzer 4

I mean the late models sure, but those are deep into the research tree

[Pz.Grenadier Schulz]

Panzer III for Early Game
Panzer IV G / Panther D for Mid Game

Usually for the stages I use:
2 groups of Infantry, 2 tanks, another 2 groups of infantry, 2 tanks, SPGs / support guns (Airstrikes for call-ins)

Focus on research point missions early on to get a nice big batch early to go through the 1000 different Panzer models. Once you reached the Pz IV / Panther nothing the Soviets throw at you will scare you anymore.

Unless they catch you off-guard~

[NearlyGroFAZ]

If you're having issues with enemy AT guns while using Hetzers then no Panzer III or IV is going to help you. Because the Hetzer has the same weaknesses in side+rear armor thickness but so much better front armor performance in comparison to any Panzer III or IV.

The Tiger deep in the research tree has 80mm of side and rear armor which will totally shrug off the Soviet 76mm gun but the 85mm gun will rip through it, that general trend goes for all German heavies including the Jagdtiger.

Panther has better front hull armor performance than Tiger (sloped hull section can resist 122mm shells from IS-2 M1944 and M1945 if you angle while Tiger cannot) but early model "chinless" panther has a problematic shot trap at the mantlet which can get your top hull penetrated by otherwise weak shells.

I could say more but this is probably already information overload lol

[dibil]

if you want to waltz tanks into a capture point theres the panzer 1 with 80mm all around protection that you can get super early (costs 8 research points at the start of the tree)

also germany has other early powerful assault options such as leIG or SIG 33
sturmpanzer 1 bison can also be obtained early
anything with a SIG 33 is especially powerful now because its range was buffed from 170m to 210m which is crazy
if you are struggling with AT guns you need more reconnaissance (recon squads, officers, axis nations even have the flak spotlight which has crazy range) to spot them, and then something to nuke them from a safe distance (artillery, SIG 33, leIG behind a hill, mortar behind a hill, plane strike, etc.)

[Saxhorn]

Rushing armour onto the point isn't going to work.

You'll need to develop new tactics.

[Garudazeno]

Originally posted by Saxhorn:

Rushing armour onto the point isn't going to work.

You'll need to develop new tactics.

Except this works and is easily the easiest strategy for the Soviets. I just fought a defensive battle against 2 KV's and you just can't easily destroy them without heavy AT. Anti tank grenades only disable their tracks but that's all they can do. It's how I cheese all my soviet campaigns, just rush KV's and send them forward with only light infantry support, it just works everytime. Germans however don't have those kind of tank options

[Garudazeno]

Originally posted by musaravos)))):

if you want to waltz tanks into a capture point theres the panzer 1 with 80mm all around protection that you can get super early (costs 8 research points at the start of the tree)

also germany has other early powerful assault options such as leIG or SIG 33
sturmpanzer 1 bison can also be obtained early
anything with a SIG 33 is especially powerful now because its range was buffed from 170m to 210m which is crazy
if you are struggling with AT guns you need more reconnaissance (recon squads, officers, axis nations even have the flak spotlight which has crazy range) to spot them, and then something to nuke them from a safe distance (artillery, SIG 33, leIG behind a hill, mortar behind a hill, plane strike, etc.)

Does the panzer 1 really have 80mm armor on all sides? I figured it would only be on the front, if so that would be a decent option.

I'll try the mobile and static infantry guns, I usually skip them but they seem pretty powerful even with HEAT shells

[Garudazeno]

Originally posted by NearlyGroFAZ:

If you're having issues with enemy AT guns while using Hetzers then no Panzer III or IV is going to help you. Because the Hetzer has the same weaknesses in side+rear armor thickness but so much better front armor performance in comparison to any Panzer III or IV.

The Tiger deep in the research tree has 80mm of side and rear armor which will totally shrug off the Soviet 76mm gun but the 85mm gun will rip through it, that general trend goes for all German heavies including the Jagdtiger.

Panther has better front hull armor performance than Tiger (sloped hull section can resist 122mm shells from IS-2 M1944 and M1945 if you angle while Tiger cannot) but early model "chinless" panther has a problematic shot trap at the mantlet which can get your top hull penetrated by otherwise weak shells.

I could say more but this is probably already information overload lol

Yeah about my own conclusion I think, I usually rush to Panther or Tiger, but they require so many research points... even if I focus them I can only get to them around mid-late game.

[[=VF=]-Ray Jefferson]

With Liberation and the release of update 5, the German conquest will be even better, the Wespe of the update and the Nashorn of Liberation can't wait for me to get back into it (I think I saw the Hummel also with Liberation)

[dave-isaac-93]

I beat conquest on hardest difficulty with both USSR and Germany a long time ago.
Hetzers are your tanks with the best value for the money for early AND mid AND occasionally even late war
That being said research tiger or panther asap. Your research should look like one of these 2 options with germany:

1. first hetzer > then Pak40 /FLaK 8,8 > then Tiger /Panther asap

or

2. first hetzer > then Tiger /Panther asap

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If you are losing too many hetzers, you are using them wrong. Their only use should be either from the far distance behind most of your other troops

OR you make a sudden ambush to the very side of the enemy masses if the enemy is about to turn the battle in his favour shortly before the battle ends

OR your other main tanks (like tigers) get overwhelmed from the front. Then you could come up with a very fast and sudden ambush with a hetzer out of nowhere and flank the enemy and retreat quickly a few seconds later after the hetzer destroyed his target

[Saxhorn]

Originally posted by Saxhorn:

Rushing armour onto the point isn't going to work.

You'll need to develop new tactics.

Germans however don't have those kind of tank options

That was the whole point of my post. You don't get the option to just blob the capture flags with heavy armour so you'll need to play more infantry and support weapons and move them up to capture the flags.

[Settlersgod]

There are multipe ways to play as Germany and do well.

Even rushing with tanks, just don't get too close, since Russia gets molotovs (still better than Finland's flamethrower spam).

The KV early game just allows you to sit on a point until the AI is able to spawn a counter (takes a couple of missions), with germans you rush the points before the counter arrives at the point.

Regular defender ai spawns with an mg, bunch of infantry and a guy with an AT rifle, just need a vehicle/tank that is immune to ptrs rounds from the front as you prioritize him as target.

Just make sure to secure and/or leave the area before the AT gun walked across the map.

Though this playstyle gets boring real quick.

In my opinion it's more fun to utilize all your tools, not just abuse a single tool.

[SolidSpaceDisk]

also get a flame tank to assault village if you have village map, they burn village down and any infantry close to the house wall

[Name]

it's not the tank, it's the munitions and skill. Angle your tank, and use HEAT. you're welcome.