about conquest mode

[enkin]

maybe it's been given before, it's none of my business

But yes, I am a casual gamer. I think I have the right to talk about this game as well.

actually goh it's an excellent game. graphics, gameplay, although some disagree.

Since there aren't enough single quests (I think) I play the conquest mode like everyone else..

Workshop mode or not, conquest is definitely a disaster mode.

The enemy (I repeat, I'm just a casual player) that constantly comes at me while I'm defending drives me crazy. When attacking, I move forward in a planned and patient manner. I wander from room to room if necessary. I expect the enemy to attack me in the same way. but unfortunately.

It still expresses disappointment for me even though I have started the conquests many times. i'm hopeless!! sorry..

[Ch53dVet]

Hey,
I know exactly how you feel. I've given up on Conquest all together.
Have you ever tried playing the SP Skirmish games inside the Campaign menu?

That's my go to place and reason to not shelve this game.
I first tried the "Germany Skirmish Maps" and I'm still there, today.

There are 4 German Skirmish maps
(1) Early War
(2) Early - Mid War
(3) Mid - Late War
(4) Late War

Each map comes in 4 different flavors ( Doctrines)
( 1) Offensive Doctrine
(2) Defensive Doctrine
(3) Irregular Doctrine
(4) All around Doctrine
Basically, you get to pick and choose the weapons and troops designated for each
Doctrine type.

The best things about Skirmish Maps are:
(1) No time limits
(2) Pausing the game
(3) Game speed selection
(4) No rush to get ready for the human wave when the game starts (Maybe a recon or 2)
(5) The enemy AI leaves you alone, as long as you don't antagonize it. (Once you cross
the "38th parallel" and hit it with a stick it will come after you)
(6) Have all the time you need to properly set up an elaborate network of Tank traps,
Mine fields (AT & AP), Tank dugouts, trenches, etc...,etc...

( And Saving The Best for Last)
(7) You can take your time and build your very own Million Man Army, consisting of
Armored, Infantry, Mechanized, Motorized, Brigades. Then send them to the DMZ and
await for the completion of your Battalion sized Mobile Reserve and Quick Reaction
force to get built.

[torpex]

Originally posted by Ch53dVet:

Hey,
I know exactly how you feel. I've given up on Conquest all together.
Have you ever tried playing the SP Skirmish games inside the Campaign menu?

That's my go to place and reason to not shelve this game.
I first tried the "Germany Skirmish Maps" and I'm still there, today.

There are 4 German Skirmish maps
(1) Early War
(2) Early - Mid War
(3) Mid - Late War
(4) Late War

Each map comes in 4 different flavors ( Doctrines)
( 1) Offensive Doctrine
(2) Defensive Doctrine
(3) Irregular Doctrine
(4) All around Doctrine
Basically, you get to pick and choose the weapons and troops designated for each
Doctrine type.

The best things about Skirmish Maps are:
(1) No time limits
(2) Pausing the game
(3) Game speed selection
(4) No rush to get ready for the human wave when the game starts (Maybe a recon or 2)
(5) The enemy AI leaves you alone, as long as you don't antagonize it. (Once you cross
the "38th parallel" and hit it with a stick it will come after you)
(6) Have all the time you need to properly set up an elaborate network of Tank traps,
Mine fields (AT & AP), Tank dugouts, trenches, etc...,etc...

( And Saving The Best for Last)
(7) You can take your time and build your very own Million Man Army, consisting of
Armored, Infantry, Mechanized, Motorized, Brigades. Then send them to the DMZ and
await for the completion of your Battalion sized Mobile Reserve and Quick Reaction
force to get built.

Seriously...where is this? I cannot find this at all under single player

[MET]

It's in the campaigns screen. There are skirmish missions for each faction.

[Flan]

Originally posted by MET:

It's in the campaigns screen. There are skirmish missions for each faction.

I don't see it either, is it a dlc?

The game needs a conquest that doesn't have this weird research and limited point system and just has divisions you can use so you and the computer start out with a era appropriate mini army instead of some random riflemen and a crate vs endless wave of 3 soldiers at a time spaced out.

[torpex]

The Only thing I find like that is under Multiplayer

[morganc425]

The Skirmishes came with the Talvisota DLC I think, and scorched earth might have more. I love conquest. Feels like defending against massed assaults, like a real attack.

[Saxhorn]

Reading the posts above a lot of people are getting confused and what they are writing is sort of describing parts of the he game but using the "wrong" name for them.

Grand Campaign is the name for the scripted missions. They are single player only and you can slow the game speed down.
These missions are where most players usually start.
The Tavisota DLC added a Grand Campaign for Finland and I highly recommend it if you like this single player type style.

Skirmish is under the Multiplayer menu and uses the multiplayer engine (same as Conquest). You can pause but not slow down time. You can play versus other people or vs the AI or mix it all up and do both at once. Very versatile indeed.

There is a game manual available in Steam.
I'm sure all of this is in the manual.
Did you RTFM? Sorry I had to ask that :)

Here is a link to it
https://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/400750/manuals/CtA_-_GoH_Game_manual_1.0.pdf?t=1678706219

"The Skirmishes came with the Talvisota DLC"
No they don't they are part of the base game. I'm very sure of this but maybe I'll get yelled at for being wrong.

You can play the AI in Skirmish mode but you need to go into
MULTIPLAYER
SKIRMISH
LOCAL SKIRMISH
then select a map and game type etc

There are two game types
Battlezones
Domination
The gameplay is different for each type. Give them a try out :)

There are only three time periods
Early
Mid
Late

If you play Germany or USSR you can choose from 5 different doctrines.
If you play as Finland you can choose 4 different doctrines.
Each doctrine has different "special" units in it depending on early/mid/late war setting.
These units cost DP (Doctrinee Points) to call in.
You only get 100 DP to spend and never get anymore so spend wisely.

To pick a doctrine you need to pick a player army (country) first.

You can grab a friend and play 2 players vs 2 AI
You can have any number of AI players. (Well ok up to 8 see next point below)
You can watch the AI vs the AI (you need to enable spectators and move to a spectator slot)

Have some fun and learn the game outside of Conquest.

Once you're up to speed try a multiplayer game (PvP) and find out how different it is to play a real person.

[Paddy]

Originally posted by Ch53dVet:

Hey,
I know exactly how you feel. I've given up on Conquest all together.
Have you ever tried playing the SP Skirmish games inside the Campaign menu?

That's my go to place and reason to not shelve this game.
I first tried the "Germany Skirmish Maps" and I'm still there, today.

There are 4 German Skirmish maps
(1) Early War
(2) Early - Mid War
(3) Mid - Late War
(4) Late War

Each map comes in 4 different flavors ( Doctrines)
( 1) Offensive Doctrine
(2) Defensive Doctrine
(3) Irregular Doctrine
(4) All around Doctrine
Basically, you get to pick and choose the weapons and troops designated for each
Doctrine type.

The best things about Skirmish Maps are:
(1) No time limits
(2) Pausing the game
(3) Game speed selection
(4) No rush to get ready for the human wave when the game starts (Maybe a recon or 2)
(5) The enemy AI leaves you alone, as long as you don't antagonize it. (Once you cross
the "38th parallel" and hit it with a stick it will come after you)
(6) Have all the time you need to properly set up an elaborate network of Tank traps,
Mine fields (AT & AP), Tank dugouts, trenches, etc...,etc...

( And Saving The Best for Last)
(7) You can take your time and build your very own Million Man Army, consisting of
Armored, Infantry, Mechanized, Motorized, Brigades. Then send them to the DMZ and
await for the completion of your Battalion sized Mobile Reserve and Quick Reaction
force to get built.

Skirmish's I feel will never compare to the Dynamic campaign because there is no progression. Each battle in Skirmish is separate and so you aren't penalized for losing. In conquest winning or losing battles matters in a similar way to Total War. All conquest needs is more game modes rather than attack and defend. Give us a map to move around.

[Saxhorn]

But as a place to learn the game the Skirmish mode is great.

[Paddy]

Originally posted by Saxhorn:

But as a place to learn the game the Skirmish mode is great.

True

[Flan]

Originally posted by Saxhorn:

Reading the posts above a lot of people are getting confused and what they are writing is sort of describing parts of the he game but using the "wrong" name for them.

I'm wondering what Ch53dVet is talking about, I know it's not the mulitplayer skirmish it sounds like a 8 missions he's got from somewhere either dlc or mod.

[MET]

Originally posted by Saxhorn:

Reading the posts above a lot of people are getting confused and what they are writing is sort of describing parts of the he game but using the "wrong" name for them.

Grand Campaign is the name for the scripted missions. They are single player only and you can slow the game speed down.
These missions are where most players usually start.
The Tavisota DLC added a Grand Campaign for Finland and I highly recommend it if you like this single player type style.

Skirmish is under the Multiplayer menu and uses the multiplayer engine (same as Conquest). You can pause but not slow down time. You can play versus other people or vs the AI or mix it all up and do both at once. Very versatile indeed.

There is a game manual available in Steam.
I'm sure all of this is in the manual.
Did you RTFM? Sorry I had to ask that :)

Here is a link to it
https://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/400750/manuals/CtA_-_GoH_Game_manual_1.0.pdf?t=1678706219

"The Skirmishes came with the Talvisota DLC"
No they don't they are part of the base game. I'm very sure of this but maybe I'll get yelled at for being wrong.

You can play the AI in Skirmish mode but you need to go into
MULTIPLAYER
SKIRMISH
LOCAL SKIRMISH
then select a map and game type etc

There are two game types
Battlezones
Domination
The gameplay is different for each type. Give them a try out :)

There are only three time periods
Early
Mid
Late

If you play Germany or USSR you can choose from 5 different doctrines.
If you play as Finland you can choose 4 different doctrines.
Each doctrine has different "special" units in it depending on early/mid/late war setting.
These units cost DP (Doctrinee Points) to call in.
You only get 100 DP to spend and never get anymore so spend wisely.

To pick a doctrine you need to pick a player army (country) first.

You can grab a friend and play 2 players vs 2 AI
You can have any number of AI players. (Well ok up to 8 see next point below)
You can watch the AI vs the AI (you need to enable spectators and move to a spectator slot)

Have some fun and learn the game outside of Conquest.

Once you're up to speed try a multiplayer game (PvP) and find out how different it is to play a real person.

What are you talking about? The Singleplayer Skirmishes are under the Singleplayer tab! You click Singleplayer -> Campaign -> Select Mission

In the following list you then can click on:

-USSR Skirmishes
-Germany Skirmishes
-Finland Skirmishes

Here's what the store page of the Talvisota DLC says:


List of features:

- Finland as a fully playable faction with 40 vehicles, 50 uniforms, 20 weapons.

- Finnish single player campaign with 6 extremely detailed historical missions.

- Eastern front skirmish campaigns for Germany, USSR and Finland, totalling 12 missions.

-45 new multiplayer and dynamic campaign maps based on the Finnish and northern eastern front landscapes.
A huge amount of detailed assets to create beautiful locations using the editor.


Skirmishes

For Talvisota, the traditional skirmishes have returned in a revolutionary format, following repeated requests by the community. Based on historical operations and real locations, the skirmishes offer an unparalleled degree of depth for single player and cooperative. Select your custom doctrine and fight an ever-evolving, revamped AI.

Fortify locations and prepare to counter every threat.

The skirmishes range from the paratrooper operations at Vyazma, to the bitter fighting at the very heart of Berlin. Every skirmish will provide unique features and endless replayability. 12 total skirmishes are provided for Germany, USSR and Finland.

Consequently, Through the addition of the skirmishes, Talvisota expands the historical campaigns of the Ostfront base game, adding to the big picture of the enourmous eastern front of WWII.

[morganc425]

Originally posted by Flannelette:

Originally posted by Saxhorn:

Reading the posts above a lot of people are getting confused and what they are writing is sort of describing parts of the he game but using the "wrong" name for them.

I'm wondering what Ch53dVet is talking about, I know it's not the mulitplayer skirmish it sounds like a 8 missions he's got from somewhere either dlc or mod.

What is confusing is there are two types of campaign and two types of skirmishes. Lol yes.

!. Dynamic Campaign, i.e. Conquest where you have to build your army and research units and your units carry on into the next battle so losses matter for future battles.

2. The Main campaign. With a series of scripted Missions based on historical battles, Really standalone missions but with a narrative and introduction video on the real history. The forces are completely different in each mission, separated widely in time, and don't carry over into the other missions in any way.

Then there are two types of Skirmishes.

1. The standard skirmish, just like multiplayer battles but you can put in AI players to play against, and as allies, for a singleplayer battle.

2. A different mode, which you can find if you have the DLC, in the singleplayer menu, under the heading Germany Skirmishes, or Finland skirmishes. Like an attack mission where you have to capture the positions on the map. It can also be found in the multiplayer menu where you can do a co-op attack against the AI, like in the main story campaign.

The second type of Skirmish must require the DLC to play if people aren't seeing it (edit. yes the Talvisota DLC). It is right in the singleplayer menu where you select the main campaign from

[Ch53dVet]

Hello, All.
Sorry about the confusion, I failed to mention I had purchased this game bundled with the whole Enchilada of DLC's. I was naive in assuming the base game came with the Skirmish feature instead of it being a byproduct of the DLC's.
That's my "Mea Culpa", sorry.

Thank you "MET" for clarifying the route I was trying send them to.

[enkin]

now i played a conquest mode again. There can be no such terrible imbalance. Enemy infantry rains down on the battlefield like eggs. pity it sucks it just sucks!