Is it bugged or the game is not accurate even in it fake data?

[Hian Gomes]

Or is it just another random number plucked out of thin air?

Tiger 1 have 132mm armor (120mm historically) / it can pen at 150m: 139mm (historically it would pen 116mm at 2km.

SU-100Y 85MM armor / it can pen at 150m 138mm (wtf?) (historically with 202mm pen max, and 158mm at 2 kilometers)

since the game have a range limit i used 150 meters to make tests.

at 150 meters tiger kills with 100% of the time SU-100Y with it first shot.

at 150 su-100y only shocks the tiger crew.

ISU-152 who historically would send tigers and panther straight to berlin in its first shot have hard time pen tigers and panthers and its even bad to destroy tanks components like cannon and turret.

IS-2 161 mm at 150 meters can't properly pen tiger either.

[Flan]

It's not random but the range units are in the game's own units not meters. It can't have proper numbers because everything is close together but it gives pretty near enough results.

[Culee]

The game uses only verified penetration sources for guns and then there is a 1/8 scale applied to adapt it to the game's distances of engagement.

[QUANTUM MECHANICS c000021a]

Originally posted by Hian Gomes:

at 150 meters tiger kills with 100% of the time SU-100Y with it first shot.

The turret armor is just 60mm thick at some places and there is plenty of ammo in the turret so legit point.

Originally posted by Hian Gomes:

at 150 su-100y only shocks the tiger crew.

Skill issue or unluck in most cases it is instant heavy damage for Tiger after that the crew bails out the tank...

Originally posted by Hian Gomes:

-152 who historically would send tigers and panther straight to berlin in its first shot have hard time pen tigers and panthers and its even bad to destroy tanks components like cannon and turret.

Try HE shells

Originally posted by Hian Gomes:

IS-2 161 mm at 150 meters can't properly pen tiger either.

Skill issue again, if you aim properly at hull even angled hull of Tiger its always heavy damage even at long ranges. After that the crew jumps out.

[✠19GaMoR83✠]

From my own expirience SU-100Y kills insta Tigers and Panters. I play as german so the AI aims at me -> maybe if you play you hit in bad angels. Maybe you have to aim better. But as for now the SU-100Y kills my tigers and this is nothing i like ;). I alway try to make sure to see these "*+"ç+""* before the see my Tigers. And then i have the time of my life to hit em from the side to make a Ivan cooking pot on tracks out of these tanks.

[Hian Gomes]

My su-100y should be broken cause is the worst urss unity in the entire gam
isu 152 should be able to destroy easily the tiger turret with HE
german tanks right now are unrealistic effective, a few days ago a tiger survived 4 shots of a t-34/85 at 50 meters on side of course after surviving 6 shots of a su-100y on front plate with only crew shock.

[QUANTUM MECHANICS c000021a]

Like I told you, skill issue.

[Hian Gomes]

Originally posted by QUANTUM MECHANICS c000021a:

Like I told you, skill issue.

So tiger 1 having 130mm of frontal armor is historically?

[QUANTUM MECHANICS c000021a]

When angled properly yes.

[Baragon-Kun]

Originally posted by Hian Gomes:

So tiger 1 having 130mm of frontal armor is historically?

This actually caused me to take a look at the Tiger in game and the game actually suprised me in having way more complex and realistic armor schemes than i expected it to have. The Tiger actually has 100mm of armor on the hull, but certain complexities of the tank are simulated to increase it in places. I don't remember the old Men of War games being this detailed.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2960621606
Here is the hull of the Tiger, it's around 100mm.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2960621689
But here, around the vision port the armor is way thicker, as there is a giant slab of additional steel to protect it.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2960621784
That "bar" with the machine gun port on it is thicker again.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2960621827
Whereas the spot directly below it is weaker again.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2960621952
On the lower hull the added track links make the armor stronger.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2960621878
The little strip thats not covered by it is weaker again.

The Tiger seems pretty simple from an armor layout standpoint, being just a giant slab basically, it has a lot more complexities in the details that can influence penetration though.

[Ch53dVet]

100 mm = 139 mm
An enemy’s standard armor piercing round fired from directly in front of the tank hitting the glacis plate in a straight line had to penetrate 139 mm (5.4 inches) of armor due to the angle of the armor.

[Hian Gomes]

Originally posted by QUANTUM MECHANICS c000021a:

When angled properly yes.

But without being angled it have 130mm, also the b-13 130mm naval cannon that su100y is equipped fires SAPCBC shells PB-46A could pen 158mm at 2km and 1/8 of 2km is 250/158 at 2km but in this game su100y can only pen 152mm at 100 meters, and moving a heavy
and slow piece of metal across a battlefield with only 85mm of armor that could get easily destroyed for a pak40.

then if a SU100Y fires at a tiger at 180 meters at even ground and it don't get pen.

SU-100Y should easily pen tigers at 250 meters, but it already lacks pen at 180

[QUANTUM MECHANICS c000021a]

Its serious math here you see Hian.

[Saxhorn]

The maps are small.
There are no vanilla maps that are 2 kilometres in any direction.

Range and penetration are scaled down to fit the maps.

1) You can't compare what a "real" round would do at 250m to what a round in game does at 250m.
2) You can't shoot the SU-100Y 250m in the game anyway.

[Culee]

The numbers im reading here for Su100Y penetration are from war thunder and their home made calculator. Not a reliable source.

[Hian Gomes]

I don't get data from warthunder they are not historically accurate, they get close tho.