Complete Bundle for 30$?

[OldManShanty]

I was excited for company of heroes 3 but that was a disappointment. Is this any better and/or worth it? What essentially is the complete Bundle? It looks like it includes two different games but one is required to play the other? That's confusing.

[Big Boss]

Call to Arms GOH is more or less what my friend and I wanted from men of war assault squad 2. Realism and slow pacing with reward for planning over split second reactions or build orders. I believe the RoBZ realism mod maker is on their dev team. The biggest difference from other RTS is the direct control system where after pressing "E" you can WASD move and shoot with any unit. There is also an inventory for each unit with a limited number of ammo and equipment per model (refillable with supply trucks and boxes)


Company of Heroes 3 is kind of the opposite in many ways. Fast paced and focused more on flash over realism or authenticity. The controls and UI take a little getting used to on Gates of Hell, but if you come from Men of War it's pretty identical.

[Rexbert]

due to some copyright issues during development, the developers could only sell gates of hell as a DLC rather than a standalone game, hence its status as a DLC for call to arms. the latter is a terrible piece of ♥♥♥♥ game and now basically exists only to serve as a form of passive income for whoever made it since it is essentially a cancerous tumor growing out of the side of gates of hell.

on the bright side you can just immediately hide it in your steam library. gates of hell is not a lesser game for it, it's damn good. i just hate the thought of giving money to the CtA devs.

[shogomad]

Originally posted by OldManShanty:

I was excited for company of heroes 3 but that was a disappointment. Is this any better and/or worth it? What essentially is the complete Bundle? It looks like it includes two different games but one is required to play the other? That's confusing.

First let me say that I LOVE this game, I play for hours (SP only). Right now I'm playing a Mod about Iwo Jima and it's my worst nightmare and I'm loving it. With that said, you should Absolutely read the Posts in this Forum, also watch YouTube vids before you buy this game. It has a Steep learning curve and it's not for Everyone.

[Saxhorn]

For the OP.

Is this any better and/or worth it?

No one can tell you what sort of games you like to play. That's a personal thing.
I suggest you go and watch some YouTube videos of the game.
Once you've watched a few videos come back and ask more specific questions.

What essentially is the complete Bundle?

Bundles usually describe what is included and Steam has listeedd what you get if you click the "Show Details" button.

The bundle I can't buy because I already own lots but not all the items in it lists

Modern Warfare
Call to Arms - Ultimate Edition
Call to Arms - Allied Army
Call to Arms - German Army
Call to Arms - Russian Army

World War 2
Call to Arms: Gates of Hell - Ostfront
Call to Arms: Gates of Hell - Talvisota
Call to Arms: Gates of Hell - Scorched Earth

The items listed under "Modern Warfare" are for Call To Arms.
The items listed under "World War 2" are for Gates of Hell.

It looks like it includes two different games but one is required to play the other?

Call To Arms (created by a different development team) is required to play Gates of Hell. Basically you need to purcahse CtA in order to get a license to use the GEM2 game engine.

The setting for CtA is a modern war in the Middle East (not WWII). You don't need to have CtA installed to play GoH you just need to own it.

In the base version of GoH called "Ostfront" you can play as Germany or the USSR. Only those two nations are in the base game.

GoH also has two DLCs available

1) Talvisota (The Winter War and Continuation War) - This DLC adds Finland to the nations you can play. The Winter War and Continuation War. If you own Talvisota you can play as Germany, Finland or the USSR.

2) Scorched Earth - SE adds some maps, some single player scenarios (both standalone and Grand Campaign) and a fourth doctrine for Germany and the USSR. It's called the "Support" doctrine.

There is a third DLC called "Liberation" which has not been released just yet. It is due "soon". Probably "very soon" (like after the sale ends?). It will introduce the Western Front to GoH. I believe it only includes the USA and not the UK, Canada or other nations that's were active post D-Day. "Liberation" is NOT included in the bundle.

[Balalaika]

At this point anything is better than COH3 lol. DLCs are worth it for more maps and units.

[OldManShanty]

I have watched some videos on CTA. I am a big fan of the men of war series. Is this similar? From the gameplay trailers, it looks like campaigns are similar to the Wargame series.

[✠19GaMoR83✠]

I agree with Saxhorn. In the end nobody can tell you if it's the right game for you. If you like WW2 RTS, even more if you like oldschool RTS like Sudden Strike or general 90's RTS i would give it a try for sure. You have the 2 Hours for refound. But use only the Refound if you realy dislike the game in its core. Not if you feel it's to easy or to hard. 2 H is not enought to fully get used to the uniqe Parts of the game.

For Call to Arms i would not recomend to buy more than needed, simply because it is a dead game. It is not a bad game in itself, but the devs left the ship. So nothing to support there.

[KapitanSWAT]

Originally posted by OldManShanty:

I have watched some videos on CTA. I am a big fan of the men of war series. Is this similar? From the gameplay trailers, it looks like campaigns are similar to the Wargame series.

CTA is basically an arcade MOW (that is, more than it already was). Watching videos for it is irrelevant to GOH.
GOH meanwhile is a more realistic MOW, far more than any MOW to date. The campaigns, however, still remain conventional like in other MOWs (i.e., it's just a series of pre-set missions without any alternative outcomes other than victory). There is also a Conquest (Dynamic Campaign) mode, which is probably what you were referring to as being similar to Wargame. And well, it's basically a Wargame/Steel Division-like mode, though it gives you freedom to choose whatever units from whatever war period you want instead of forcing you into a single more-or-less pre-set scenario

[morph]

so fun, very much worth 30$. coh is a fun adrenal dump. goh is very much about tactics. units die with one shot. the famous words "we are not retreating, just advancing in a different direction' work well with this game. steep learning curve but all aspects of game play from inventory, ammunition type, weaponry, direct control with 1st, 3rd or overhead play, along with the modding community make this a stellar game. but with all games you can find your fair share of cons... anyways give it a goh

[SolidSpaceDisk]

do you want war thunder damage model in CoH with building destruction? This game is for you.
(btw the new MoW 2 returns to CoH style, don't get MoW2)

[☪Al3xM3rc3r0✠]

Originally posted by Rexbert:

due to some copyright issues during development, the developers could only sell gates of hell as a DLC rather than a standalone game, hence its status as a DLC for call to arms. the latter is a terrible piece of ♥♥♥♥ game and now basically exists only to serve as a form of passive income for whoever made it since it is essentially a cancerous tumor growing out of the side of gates of hell.

on the bright side you can just immediately hide it in your steam library. gates of hell is not a lesser game for it, it's damn good. i just hate the thought of giving money to the CtA devs.

wtf call to arms is base and good game about modern settings, idk what you yappin