Gameplay - How does Gates of Hell differ to CTA?

[Delta6NKVD]

Hi there,

I am considering buying the game - but I was disappointed with Call to Arms.

I was just wondering what people noticed as being better in this game then Call to Arms?

If I like most RTS games, but don't like Call to Arms, is it still worth my time giving this game a go?

[KapitanSWAT]

Originally posted by Delta6NKVD:

I was just wondering what people noticed as being better in this game then Call to Arms?

What's better in GOH than in CTA? Literally EVERYTHING - from sounds, through models and maps to mechanics. Everything is better.
One thing you might be missing out on will be first person perspective for infantry, but it's nothing important anyway (plus there are mods for it).
So if you didn't enjoy CTA, GOH might still be the right thing for you. And if you won't like it, then go for a refund I guess.
P.S.: You might also want to wait for other people's opinions before you buy the game.

[love2shpongleIRL]

I second KapitanSWAT, it's a way more refined product than CTA.

[Delta6NKVD]

Thanks for your replies. Do you happen to know if there is a lot more modding support?

I found that Call to Arms modding was very limited.

Does the game have airstrikes and artillery strikes?

[Herr Flick]

Originally posted by Delta6NKVD:

Thanks for your replies. Do you happen to know if there is a lot more modding support?

I found that Call to Arms modding was very limited.

Does the game have airstrikes and artillery strikes?

yes, yes and yes. Currently 350+ mods in the workshop.

[Delta6NKVD]

Sorry, I should clarify. Can you call in off-map artillery and airstrikes? So not just bringing artillery vehicles onto the map like in Call to Arms.

[Maverik20]

Yes, airstrike can be called using Irregular doctrine. While off-map artillery can be called using Radio Operator in All-Round doctrine mostly

[Herr Flick]

Originally posted by Delta6NKVD:

Sorry, I should clarify. Can you call in off-map artillery and airstrikes? So not just bringing artillery vehicles onto the map like in Call to Arms.

Sorry if my answer was ultra short, but I did understand the arty question. As Maverik pointed out, you can call in off- map arty support. In some (a few) missions you don't need a doctrine for that.

[kensai606]

The conquest artillery is as fun as can be, from the smallest to the massive Thor.
The sheer variety causes me a problem, I can rarely decide which to get.
I think the armor elevates the game above others. There's such a lot of them and are believable, no RNG I believe.

I think the crucial element is that real world tactics work. There are foibles as with all games.
But my 700+ hours testifies to my enjoyment.

[Nemesis]

I've put 140 hours into Gates of Hell, very happy with it, but for call of arms I haven't even started it up....

[Reno Story]

Gates of Hell, while not perfect, feels a lot more polished than Call to Arms.

Not only do you have a lot more unit variety, which adds to the replay value, but it's also so much more lively, what with all the yelling and screaming that can be heard amid gunfire and explosions. Sometimes it's just fun to sit back and watch the chaos unfold, unlike Call to Arms where everything feels robotic and lifeless.

It also helps that tank combat is a lot more satisfying in Gates of Hell. When you pen a tank, you FEEL like you did some serious damage. Call to Arms, meanwhile, just feels like slapping someone across the face until they just fall over, and that's if you can even hurt them due to the absurd armor values that make a good 80% of anti-tank weapons worthless. You won't have as much trouble penning tanks in Gates of Hell, thankfully.

[Saxhorn]

You can probably buy and try for a limited time and if you don't like it get a refund.
That's a thing on Steam.
Check out the limited period for refund.


You need to checkout the details and make sure you try it before the time "tryout" expires.

[Delta6NKVD]

Thanks guys, I still have some more questions:

1. Does it seem like the devs are planning additional expansion packs or is the game essentially going to be finished soon with only the occasional patch?

2. Is there a lot of flexibility in modding? It seems with Call to Arms there are many things that you cannot do via modding.

"...unlike Call to Arms where everything feels robotic and lifeless."

Exactly! Not sure what it is about Call to Arms but it really does seem robotic and lifeless!

[KapitanSWAT]

Originally posted by Delta6NKVD:

Thanks guys, I still have some more questions:

1. Does it seem like the devs are planning additional expansion packs or is the game essentially going to be finished soon with only the occasional patch?

2. Is there a lot of flexibility in modding? It seems with Call to Arms there are many things that you cannot do via modding.

"...unlike Call to Arms where everything feels robotic and lifeless."

Exactly! Not sure what it is about Call to Arms but it really does seem robotic and lifeless!

Re point 1:
The game is absolutely NOT finished! The devs have great long-term plans, and already have another expansion plannes for 2023

Re point 2:
Well, both CTA and GOH are just as moddable at the moment. Don't expect much difference in this field.
A modding SDK for GOH will come out soon(TM) though.

[kensai606]

Re modding, I appreciate people liking mods and I have nothing against them. It's just that I can't think of any that needs modding. We already know the game is going to evolve, isn't part of the fun taking that journey?
I guess my point is that evaluating this game by the mods is a mistake. They aren't actually needed.

[Delta6NKVD]

Hi guys, thanks for all your advice. I ended up buying the game.

The reason modding is important to me is because I don't find the world war 2 era particularly interesting. I prefer modern or Vietnam war era...

Unfortunately all the best games (gameplay wise) seem to be based around World War 2.

I bought the game though, and i'm glad.